Open 584: White Flag (Day 4)

[prawneater]

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[Whomping Willow]

That is extremely immature and obnoxious, please present your case instead of pointless eyesores

kthnxbai

[Green Crayons]

Posting.

[prawneater]

That is extremely immature and obnoxious, please present your case instead of pointless eyesores

kthnxbai

lol'd

I don't like that my text is not as bright as yours.

Seriously though, Joker/ABR were scummy. Don't be fooled by crayons.

[Green Crayons]

B. The fact that this single line of suspicion is what sustains prawn's joker-suspicion throughout D1, and, really, for the entire game, is scummy, because prawn doesn't allow new developments in play to at least inform his perspective of the slot. See Post 240, Post 343, and Post 433. I'm not saying that prawn's read on joker had to change into a town read in order for prawn to not be suspicious; what I'm saying is that prawn's read on joker was stagnant and refused to incorporate anything new.

I'll grant prawn that he at least attempted to provide an updated read on my slot after ABR joined in in Post 473, but that doesn't diminish the previous ~350 posts of an artificial read. However, prawn's reverse-engineering of a non-stagnant read on joker in Post 516 doesn't strike me as genuine, particularly because it's surface level schlock provided only after being pushed for it in ABR's Post 513.

You're (probably) not scum, so you're just being anti-town at this point.

[prawneater]

Okay well I didn't reread the thread.

Instead I just ISOed tex. Because effort.

1.

Early game criticism of Lia is superbad (e.g., Post 56, Post 62, Post 94). No. Lia looked like she was scum hunting based off of the early game state. Scum motivation to paint engaged/thoughtful town as scum.

2.

I don't like the fact that tex defended my slot (joker) against Prawn in order to vote prawn (e.g., Post 180, Post 218, Post 287). I'm paranoid of soft buddying on my slot generally, and specifically here when the buddying was of a player (joker) who seemed open to being manipulated by such a maneuver.

3.

Looking to the Prawn-case on the merits, it looks pretty surface level about not particularly alignment indicative stuff. I don't know if this observation is inandof itself alignment indicative, but it means that a large part of tex's contribution has been unhelpful. For that reason, tex suddenly not suspecting Prawn doesn't surprise me from a merits-of-the-case standpoint, but even then tex is still laying the foundation for his return to a Prawn-vote (Post 750's "Although, I will say that asking me for reads after the hammer is the scummiest thing I've seen in a long time.").

4.

Justifies his GC vote based on a dead player's suspicions (Post 750). Scum motivation to absolve self of voting for a town flip.

VOTE: texcat

I think this post is scummy. GC confessed to not reading the game. He noticed the texcat wagon, did a quick iso to make her look scummy, jumped on texcat wagon. This doesn't strike me as someone who wants to figure out the game. It's as WW puts it, opportunistic.

[Green Crayons]

There's a difference between reading and rereading.

[Green Crayons]

Also your narrative ignores Post 754.

[Green Crayons]

And Post 755 for that matter.

[NJAC]

Mod Note

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hi im Yakko

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Narrow

have been prodded.

[Lia]

I've looked at Hiraki's posts, I've looked at the Vote Counts, and I can't see any scumpair working out other than GC and Willow.

The ones I'd rule out from the voting would be WW, prawneater, Narrow and Yakko, unless there was serious bussing but I didn't get that impression. That leaves Alchemist and GC. Hiraki's posts seem to agree with this.


Hiraki's vote on Joker was more or less an rvs vote (25). The wagon built quickly to L-2. Hiraki said L-2 without much being said was bad but that joker was "legit /that/ bad" (43), and then jumped off the wagon in his next post (49). Droog asked him if it was bad enough for L-2. Hiraki replied, "Perhaps not but yes". When Droog pushed a bit more, Hiraki said "Bad does not necessarily equate to scum". (86)

Hiraki defends ABR in 378 but tries to excuse himself for doing it. The defence could have been white-knighting but the excuse makes me think it wasn't.

GC defends Alchemist in 793 and tries to excuse his scumminess. About the only thing I agree with in his 795 on Droog was part of para 2B. With his 798 on Prawn I think the only part I agree with was 2A.


My only concern with an Alchemist/GC pairing is Alchemist's L-1 vote on GC (768), which he removed after 3 hours, but which was quite risky if they were partners. White flag gambit?

Vote: Green Crayons

[Lia]

Lia what do you think of narrows first post?

I don't know, but the first para bothers me a bit. I'm waiting for the "more later" he promised.

[hi im Yakko]

hmmmm
VOTE: green crayons

That is -1 I believe. Abr read as mostly lynch bait to me made me think him slight town. I don't think he can escape being lynched tho as he seems to be everyone's lynch of choice. I worry about going to lylo with WW and alchemist. Those two idk something is definitely making me pause their. One is definite scum the other night be town. I'm wondering if ww is so overtly off that it's covert usually it's always Prima facie in these types of things so I tend to think alchemist is slight scum on this.

Lia so glad you mentioned that first paragraph that narrow made it seems like we're in lock step. Reading that first paragraph I just kept thinking inside information?

I'd feel a lot more comfortable lynching in narrow/alchemist.

[hi im Yakko]

UNVOTE:

wait no.

[hi im Yakko]

Yeah lia would you mind unvoting? We still have a long time. I'd like to explore narrow/alchemist. If hey vote green it'll be fairly transparent imo. So I'd be okay with that. wait no your vote is fine since they need it to hammer right?

Would you guys mind not hammering (lol) I wanna reread and ISO.

[Green Crayons]

Fine. If nobody wants to join the common scum link between WW or Alchemist - Narrow - I'll move on to the more likely potential buddy.

UNVOTE: Narrow
VOTE: WW

[Whomping Willow]

^ Desperation

[Green Crayons]

(shrug)

I do not want to be lynched, yes.

[Whomping Willow]

I didn't say it was from scum

[Alchemist21]

Yeah lia would you mind unvoting? We still have a long time. I'd like to explore narrow/alchemist. If hey vote green it'll be fairly transparent imo. So I'd be okay with that. wait no your vote is fine since they need it to hammer right?

Would you guys mind not hammering (lol) I wanna reread and ISO.

Read my 816 and tell me if you don't think that's strong evidence for a GC/Willow scumteam. I'm pretty sure lynching either of them wins the game.

[Whomping Willow]

GC lynch has more traction so why not vote him?

[Green Crayons]

Usually you don't want to lynch a town.

[Green Crayons]

^ Desperation

I didn't say it was from scum

Okay.

Curious why you threw out a pejorative, and then immediately walked it back?

[Whomping Willow]

I felt like it

[Green Crayons]

Okay.