Mini 1323- Mafia on the BEACH. GAME OVER

GreyICE · Post Post #925 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 6:07 am

-_-

Seriously HF?

HE FAKECLAIMED A GUILTY ON ME

AND YOU WANT ME TO UNVOTE HIM?

Fuck you

GreyICE · Post Post #926 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 6:08 am

In what scenario is he town?

IN WHAT FUCKING SCENARIO, HF?

havingfitz · Post Post #927 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 6:13 am

Lol...he wasn't explicit in claiming a result. I'd like to see his night action spelled out before I make any decisions.

Preview edit...the scenario where he is actually town and continually gets roleblocked. That's one possibility. Can you curb your enthusiasm at least momentarily? If he is town...and if you are town...we're playing with a quicklynch for the loss.

GreyICE · Post Post #928 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 6:21 am

Gimme a fucking break HF.

What do you think of silverlands, anyway?

havingfitz · Post Post #929 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 6:26 am

He and MM remain my top two suspects.

GreyICE · Post Post #930 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 6:54 am

In post 868, theamatuer wrote:
Votecount 3.1 [First votecount of the day]monkeyman-hiraki, silverlands

Okay, because this wagon?

Especially these two votes having gone down as quickly as they did, and having remained as long as they did?

That'd argue very strongly that one of Silverlands/Monkeyman is scum, with Hiraki dead town.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #931 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 8:23 am

I got a guilty result on GreyICE.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #932 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 8:24 am

Vote: GreyICE

GreyICE · Post Post #933 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 8:27 am

Yup, no backing out of this one today, monkey.

Here's a hint, if you're going to fakeclaim a LyLo guilty? Don't back off when someone prods you.

havingfitz · Post Post #934 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 8:55 am

In post 931, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I got a guilty result on GreyICE.

OK Monkey....here are some of the problems I have with you today following confirmation/clarification of your night action/result (and I believe they have all already been addressed by Split and/or Grey as well):

1 - We're in LYLO and you finally get a result. Ie if you are lying and we believe you it's too late. Game over.
2 - You claim to be roleblocked on those nights you didn't get a result. Why no roleblock last night?
3 - You thought Grey was a miller (which just shows how much attention you have been giving this game) when it was actually Parama.
4 - You claim to have investigated that person you erroneously thought was a miller. What result would you have expected? And why wouldn't you have investigated someone you suspected most of yesterday who you DIDN'T think was a miller....like Silverland?

VOTE: MonkeyMan

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #935 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 11:27 am

In post 934, havingfitz wrote:
In post 931, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I got a guilty result on GreyICE.

OK Monkey....here are some of the problems I have with you today following confirmation/clarification of your night action/result (and I believe they have all already been addressed by Split and/or Grey as well):

1 - We're in LYLO and you finally get a result. Ie if you are lying and we believe you it's too late. Game over.
2 - You claim to be roleblocked on those nights you didn't get a result. Why no roleblock last night?
3 - You thought Grey was a miller (which just shows how much attention you have been giving this game) when it was actually Parama.
4 - You claim to have investigated that person you erroneously thought was a miller. What result would you have expected? And why wouldn't you have investigated someone you suspected most of yesterday who you DIDN'T think was a miller....like Silverland?

VOTE: MonkeyMan

1 - I think I've shown I'm not that good of a liar. I'm still getting used to MS Mafia, I'm used to a website where I know virtually everyone there and I'm still getting used to the MS rosters and playing style.
2 - WIFOM. Can't explain why mafia does what they do. Maybe they know the town doesn't trust me and figure they're better off with me alive and active.
3 - See #1.
4 - I've said I don't believe Grey's claim, and after a previous game I played with Grey I'm highly suspicious of taking what he says at face value. I've already stated several reasons not to believe Grey's claim. If Grey *IS* mafia, then I think we can safely derive that Silverland is mafia based on previous interactions, and possibly eventually figure out a third scum as well. If I had investigated Silverland and I'm wrong, we'd pretty much be back at square one. I think Grey's GUILTY verdict tells us a lot.

Even people that have been attacking me have noted that me not necessarily paying attention as much as should have, makes it more likely that what I am saying is true, because it's easier for someone to lie when they have a firmer grasp of what's going on.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #936 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 11:38 am

Edit: By Grey's claim, I meant the claim that I thought Grey made. If you believe me, then you know to lynch Grey, and you understand why I thought Grey had claimed miller. If you really think I'm lying, then there's not much I can do for you. Making up lies on the spot is not that easy, usually you have to plan in advance or you'll get tripped up at some point. At this point the only things you have against me is that I haven't been paying attention, I haven't been roleblocked consistantly, my first guilty came at LYLO, and I am going up against a veteran player in GreyICE.

GreyICE's play has been surprisingly inconsistant and anti-town in the last few days and, given that the likelihood of me lying is slim, versus the likelihood of him lying, as a veteran player, is high. I know this isn't a plainly obvious situation, and my mistakes haven't helped matters much, but I guess all I can say is I hope the town makes the right one. I think it should be easy to see that my issue is inexperience, not being a liar.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #937 (ISO) » Mon May 14, 2012 12:14 pm

Also, I'd like to take a moment to say that if the town loses, it's obviously my fault, but I emplore any townie not to make a rash decision and think things through. If you have any questions you want to ask me, don't be afraid.

splitfarvle · Post Post #938 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 3:19 am

@Monkey: Do you know what a miller is?

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #939 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 3:37 am

In post 938, splitfarvle wrote:@Monkey: Do you know what a miller is?

Yes, it's someone who's town but comes up innocent in investigations. It's also a frequent fakeclaim because it's easy for scum to say the reason they came up guilty is their role, when in fact they are scum.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #940 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 3:37 am

*comes up guilty, I meant.

splitfarvle · Post Post #941 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 3:40 am

Why would you investigate someone you knew would come up guilty as the miller?

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #942 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 5:27 am

In post 941, splitfarvle wrote:Why would you investigate someone you knew would come up guilty as the miller?

Because I found his play to be more and more suspicious. Also, I was pretty much played by GreyICE in a previous game and I didn't want to go the whole game without investigating him. The other person I considered investigating was Silverlands, but I didn't have a previous game of Silverland to look back on as reference like I did for GreyICE. Also, I felt like with a guilty verdict on GreyICE, like I was expecting, we would have two birds with one stone in GreyICE and Silverlands, with the way GreyICE was acting strangely towards SIlvers vanilla claim yesterday.

havingfitz · Post Post #943 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 5:33 am

Why are there not more MM votes…

splitfarvle · Post Post #944 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 5:38 am

But if GreyICE was the miller, then you already knew he'd turn up guilty so why investigate him in the first place? It makes no sense to investigate him if you already knew the result. And you'd know that, as the miller, he'd actually be town.

But he's not the miller. You thought he was the miller, and investigated him anyway, knowing what a miller is. And got guilty?

This is so stupid, it must be true.

VOTE: GreyICE

GreyICE · Post Post #945 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 6:46 am

Nice saving throw, Splitfarvle. I give it 10/10.

I still don't think you're going to rescue this one, but this is the town? Who knows.

Nice job night killing Hiraki btw, he never would have bought this shit.

Silverlands · Post Post #946 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 7:05 am

Hey, Split. Wanna tell me why grey is the miller? Given it was Parama, the dead town miller mason who died and flipped with it, and greyice replaced Crypto?

Not buying it. Head A appears to have completely run out of time, so VOTE: MonkeyMan

havingfitz · Post Post #947 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 7:22 am

How is anyone not voting MM?

He thinks Grey is a miller and finally overcomes the "roleblocking" to supposedly investigate someone he would have expected to get a guilty on.
He starts today with a vote on his claimed guilty and yet is easily persuaded to immediately unvote him.
He is on Silverland all day yesterday but doesn't "investigate" him.
Wifom icing on the cake...Hiraki was all over MM the last two days.

Do we have more replacements inbound?

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #948 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 8:04 am

Scum team = GreyICE, Silverlands, havingfitz.

Grey and having are obviously trying to drive a townlynch.

splitfarvle · Post Post #949 (ISO) » Tue May 15, 2012 8:29 am

In post 946, Silverlands wrote:Hey, Split. Wanna tell me why grey is the miller? Given it was Parama, the dead town miller mason who died and flipped with it, and greyice replaced Crypto?

Not buying it. Head A appears to have completely run out of time, so VOTE: MonkeyMan

Are you even reading what I wrote? Grey isn't the miller, but Monkey claims he thought Grey was. Which is why it's so mind blowing to me that he claimed to investigate him.

1. Why would hypo scumMonkey's partners let him go through with the absolute crazy-to-stupid playing? Did they all think Grey was the miller? They killed the miller Night One!

2. Did hypo scumMonkey's team forget to have him claim a roleblock for the rest of the game? WIFOM: They roleblocked Monkey one night, but not the others to shoot his credibility even further.

3. WIFOM: Hiraki was on Monkey all yesterday, Scumteam kills him to frame Monkey.

4. WIFOM: Why not bus Monkey by now? He's been near the top of everybody's suspect list since Day One. If Monkey is scum, his team obviously doesn't care about having a perfect win since they let him play so stupidly. Bus him for the towncred and win later.

5. I like the hypo neighbor team or town-miller-scum. Grey is the last remaining member of the neighborhood, so that means he's the scum slot.

In short, this situation is so stupid, I can't believe it took an entire scumteam to come up with it.