Open 859 - C9++ - Postgame

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I had Dunnstral and Infinity in my PoE too

[Klick]

I think I'd be really satisfied with a massclaim?

[Klick]

Wait there have to be 2 Mafia left with a RB flip don't there
Massclaim bad idea then

[Klick]

I will say that like... that DEFINITELY doesn't look like a Mafia kill, so if you're like a Town Roleblocker or something you've probably got a guilty.

[Klick]

Yeahhh Mafia don't kill Mala over Hiraki, ever.

I'd claim it if Roleblocker, but not if Doctor.

[froggodoggo]

Yes there is indeed 2 maf left. Also we can get a rough estimate of how many PRs have to exist with an RB flip.

Thought I'd have a lot more heat coming in to this day and it has been in the back of my head how I will defend myself. I think one big thing is that Enchant is the type of player who I would not be willing to die trying to save because I don't see them making it very far with so little content. Socially, I think that makes sense, but because Enchant was RB things coincidentally look bad for me.

Ty for the TR CSF, I think I TR you too for your reaction to the kill. Surprised to see people saying this was a bad kill or even a vig shoot -- to me this is pretty obviously a low info kill which I find usually indicates that mafia are playing very well in the day and so they can sacrifice a potential suspect like Mala in order to keep the gamestate the same.

[froggodoggo]

No no I'm pretty sure this kill was made by mafia lol. Let's please hold off with any claiming.

[Klick]

No no I'm pretty sure this kill was made by mafia lol. Let's please hold off with any claiming.

Not a chance

[Klick]

Like the only Mafia I can see making this kill is... possibly you? It's too out of left field for anyone else

[Klick]

And a team of two? It wouldn't happen

[froggodoggo]

Okay, we don't have to agree. But most kills are made by mafia and I see little reason to think this is not one of them. I also think you could very, very easily be scum Klick. Your reaction to Enchant's claim was very out of the ordinary and looks like you were trying to gain cred by being on the vote. But otherwise I've liked your other posts and deem this something to revisit later in the game if we happen to be there.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeahhh Mafia don't kill Mala over Hiraki, ever.

I'd claim it if Roleblocker, but not if Doctor.

Mafia was likely fishing for doc with Enchant’s claim imo

[froggodoggo]

Like the only Mafia I can see making this kill is... possibly you? It's too out of left field for anyone else

Explain? I wouldn't make this kill, I genuinely thought I'd be shit on at the start of this day and so I as mafia would probably kill whoever would look best after I flip red and try to talk my way out of the elim as best as possible.

But this isn't a great argument since it only really applies if you already trust me.

[Klick]

Surprised to see people saying this was a bad kill or even a vig shoot -- to me this is pretty obviously a low info kill which I find usually indicates that mafia are playing very well in the day and so they can sacrifice a potential suspect like Mala in order to keep the gamestate the same.

See this just reads to me like your plan in the night was to make a weird kill and then argue this to open up your options.

[froggodoggo]

Surprised to see people saying this was a bad kill or even a vig shoot -- to me this is pretty obviously a low info kill which I find usually indicates that mafia are playing very well in the day and so they can sacrifice a potential suspect like Mala in order to keep the gamestate the same.

See this just reads to me like your plan in the night was to make a weird kill and then argue this to open up your options.

That is exactly the kind of reply i expected kek

[Klick]

Like the only Mafia I can see making this kill is... possibly you? It's too out of left field for anyone else

Explain? I wouldn't make this kill, I genuinely thought I'd be shit on at the start of this day and so I as mafia would probably kill whoever would look best after I flip red and try to talk my way out of the elim as best as possible.

But this isn't a great argument since it only really applies if you already trust me.

That is what you're doing though
Mala kill only makes sense if Mafia think they need it

I think it might just be BBT/froggo

[froggodoggo]

CSF can you talk to me about BBT scum a lil more? Personally I felt much more comfortable about voting Enchant after BBT talked to me so I would like to hope BBT is town

[Klick]

VOTE: froggodoggo

[froggodoggo]

Like the only Mafia I can see making this kill is... possibly you? It's too out of left field for anyone else

Explain? I wouldn't make this kill, I genuinely thought I'd be shit on at the start of this day and so I as mafia would probably kill whoever would look best after I flip red and try to talk my way out of the elim as best as possible.

But this isn't a great argument since it only really applies if you already trust me.

That is what you're doing though
Mala kill only makes sense if Mafia think they need it

I think it might just be BBT/froggo

Counterpoint you are already not buying anything I'm saying about the kill so obviously no making a weird kill does not help Mafia convince people they are not scum. Like I said earlier, it helps mafia who are already hidden stay hidden. I do not fit that category.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Ty for the TR CSF, I think I TR you too for your reaction to the kill. Surprised to see people saying this was a bad kill or even a vig shoot -- to me this is pretty obviously a low info kill which I find usually indicates that mafia are playing very well in the day and so they can sacrifice a potential suspect like Mala in order to keep the gamestate the same.

I just find it unlikely maf would shoot Mala, who was someone potentially in the PoE because of her low activity

Maybe if scum hardbussed and looked really good from the flip, but that'd basically leave Lucian as scum, and I think he is pretty town

[froggodoggo]

Klick don't do this lol. You are actively thinking me as more and more likely I am mafia every time I talk about this -- so what motivation do I actually have to bring it up as scum? I am just voicing my genuine thoughts.

I still think Froggo is town. He seems to be posting whatever thoughts pop up into his head without a filter, so his thought process, while messy, does ring as genuine.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Your reaction to Enchant's claim was very out of the ordinary

and looks like you were trying to gain cred by being on the vote.

Explain?

I think if scum wanted to bus, they wouldn't have had Klick's trajectory.

[Gamma Emerald]

The only stances Mala had were
>kill enchant
>Don’t kill Gamma
>don’t kill CSF
ig if CSF is town/SK it’s possible Mala was killed by mafia for low-info and to snuff out some solid reads

[froggodoggo]

Your reaction to Enchant's claim was very out of the ordinary

and looks like you were trying to gain cred by being on the vote.

Explain?

I think if scum wanted to bus, they wouldn't have had Klick's trajectory.

Sorry I don't think it would be worthwhile to explain much further, I don't think Klick is necessarily scum right now especially bcuz of their impulsive vote on me. Just something I wanted to point out in case it's useful in an endgame where Klick is scum and I'm dead and people are looking for evidence against them. No post will go unnoticed!

[Cat Scratch Fever]

CSF can you talk to me about BBT scum a lil more?

Personally I felt much more comfortable about voting Enchant after BBT talked to me

so I would like to hope BBT is town

What conversation made you feel that way?

I feel like he tried to shift the wagon away from Enchant at critical times, especially with 760, but he also left himself open to voting Enchant for a bus if necessary