Mini 1486: Fruit Basket Mafia (Game Over)

[Desperado]

Also if you honestly, legitimately think I bussed my first partner and then avoided lynching my traitor until I couldn't anymore

and then said I expected him to flip town

then you are out of your damn mind.

Elyse why didn't you ever follow up on me destroying your meta on me? Your case is literally "Desperado is competent and his pushes on me weren't so he's scum" when the only meta you have on me as being competent is as scum. When I brought this up last time you just brushed it off, which I took to mean you were conceding the point--clearly you aren't. So what's up?

[Elyse]

1. Starting massclaim without anyone's approval. Check!
2. Pointing out things he did that should prove him town. Check!
3. Misrepping my meta on him. Check!

Yep, we've got ourselves a live one here!

[Desperado]

I don't need anyone's approval to do anything.
Why wouldn't I do that as town?
How am I missrepping it?

Your scum tunnels are so transparent, jesus.

[Desperado]

Elyse and I have played together twice.

In Hell's Bottom I was scum and she was town. By N3 I was a universal townread despite pushing two town lynches, and then I got copped and lynched D3. My team endgamed Elyse the next day.

In Switch Mafia I was town and she was scum. She killed me N2 after I pushed a town lynch D1 and then avoided participating in her tunnel on the SK all of day two. And I pushed a lynch on Rach (also town) so hard D2 that she got lynched after I got killed. At no point did I ever suspect her or her partner.

Elyse has somehow concluded that I am a competent player and that, because I am not playing competently in this game, I am scum. It is total and complete bullshit and she knows it.

[Elyse]

Competency has NOTHING to do with the accuracy of your reads. It's your reasons behind them.
You should get approval before massclaim.
Pointing out how something you did makes your town is scummy because you did it knowing it would make you look town, negating its effect.

[Desperado]

Competency has everything to do with accuracy of reads. And I asked you to actually, you know, show some examples of my competent town pushes and incompetent scum pushes, but you refused to do it. So...?

There are 9 alive and a 13 player game didn't start with 4 scum. There is on downside into locking the remaining scum into a claim now with 3 MLs available.

That doesn't answer why I wouldn't WIFOM as town.

[Elyse]

Competency has everything to do with accuracy of reads. And I asked you to actually, you know, show some examples of my competent town pushes and incompetent scum pushes, but you refused to do it. So...?

No it doesn't. That would mean that you are completely incompetent as scum every time unless you bus your buddy. Stop trying. The meta isn't a big enough part of my case for me to waste my time finding specific instances that mirror your play here.

There are 9 alive and a 13 player game didn't start with 4 scum. There is on downside into locking the remaining scum into a claim now with 3 MLs available.

I don't see the point of giving scum our PRs when we are doing fine without them knowing.

That doesn't answer why I wouldn't WIFOM as town.

Why

would

you WIFOM as town?

And your vote on me is awful and you know it. There is zero motivation for me to kill Slandaar last night since he townread me to the moon. This also makes Kid A less likely scum.

[Desperado]

There is zero motivation for me to kill Slandaar last night since he townread me to the moon.

Literally you doing what you just accused me of being scummy for doing.

[don_johnson]

well, we can certainly lynch desperado, but let's here from everyone first. I would like to look over things a little bit. I think kidA needs to go first tbh, I mean you have to be seriously out of touch or scum to think that I am scum here.

muffin: where you at?

[Kid A]

you have to be seriously out of touch or scum to think that I am scum here.

logical leaps + trying to eliminate ppl who suspect him

gg dj but you slipped when you expected the traitor to flip town

[T S O]

The last part makes no sense

[Elyse]

There is zero motivation for me to kill Slandaar last night since he townread me to the moon.

Literally you doing what you just accused me of being scummy for doing.

No.

You said that things you said made you town.

I said that things I didn't do made me town.

Difference.

Bye.

[Kid A]

The last part makes no sense

VA is probably town then.

v/la for the weekend.

assumed it was a joke post because he had knowledge of the scumteam but obviously VA was a traitor and he wasn't aware of that

[T S O]

i don't see why scum VA would say what he did. but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Was the reasoning given. You find this faulty?

[mnemonicdevice]

I am liking the elyse wagon more and more...

[mnemonicdevice]

VOTE: Elyse

[Elyse]

Great vote there. Love the reasoning behind it.

[RadiantCowbells]

No humor located within this votecount.

Elyse - 2 (Desperado, mnemonicdevice)
Desperado - 1 (Elyse)
MnemonicDevice - 1 (Peabody)
don_johnson - 1 (Kid A)

Not Voting - (Buffy VS Dracula, TSO, don_johnson, zMuffinMan)

With

9

alive it's

5

to lynch!

This day will come to it's end in (expired on 2013-10-19 12:00:00).

[mnemonicdevice]

The reasoning is the argument between you and desperado.

[Elyse]

Wow. So much less vague.

Seriously. There wasn't a "wagon" on me. Just Desperado. And his vote was bad OMGUS.

What are you even doing?

[mnemonicdevice]

Um.... Voting. And I didn't say that there was a wagon on you. I like how you throw off Desperado's vote as OMGUS, even though he made a case against you.

[don_johnson]

vote:don_johnson

bring it. lack of nk's suggest to me that mafia targeted the traitor and brought him into the fold. I doubt two successful protects/blocks/etc. occurred. fact is, VA knew who mafia was, and mafia more likely than not was very well aware who was being lynched yesterday. kidA, if you are town, please remove your head from your rear. but I really don't think you're town. so whatevz. let's see what you can do.

Peabody: what do you make of this divisiveness? it made much more sense to me when I thought slaandar was breadcrumbing his role and his protects, but his being vanilla has me questioning his opinions a bit more. I think a reread is in order for me, but i'm pretty comfortable with you and muffin. I think elyse is town too. and probably desp. which I think leaves just mnem and kidA. oh, and TSO, who probably deserves a second look even though he's looking town atm.

TSO: what do you think of the lynch pool I mentioned above(not yourself of course)?

[Elyse]

Um.... Voting. And I didn't say that there was a wagon on you. I like how you throw off Desperado's vote as OMGUS, even though he made a case against you.

No he didn't. He picked apart my case on him but did not make one on me.

And yes you did. You said "I am liking the Elyse wagon more and more." Why are you lying?

@don
Why the self-vote?

[zMuffinMan]

briefly skimmed but don't have time for proper response now. massclaim bad idea. be back in a couple hours.

[mnemonicdevice]

I meant to say: "Like starting a Elyse wagon more and more"
Which is how I read it when I posted.