Open 692 - Two-fold Matrix6 (Game Over)

[Something_Smart]

Those could all come from scum. And I feel like him admitting the link between him and Raya might be distancing himself from that kill that his team made.

The thing is I think Not_Mafia is mafia and oldwino is WW. So I'd rather lynch oldwino because by default a WW read is twice as likely to be right and because the main anti-mafia PR can for sure get a result on whether or not Not_Mafia is mafia.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

And your case for NM Scum is...that he isn't being helpful?
Did you get a scumvibe from Rory or are you basing this solely on NM's lack of content?
What makes you believe this lack of content without even trying is scummy?

rory was a scum read to me yes. nm just built on it and didnt do anything to change it

[oldwino]

I miss Realeo already.

If you miss him then does that mean you trusted him? If so, trust his read of me. I don't know what he knew, or strongly suspected about me that made him town read me so strongly, but he was right and if you trusted him, you shouldn't vote me.

You've never given a good reason to vote me. Even early on, you thought I was scum but couldn't remember why.

I'm not going to be around over the next 10-11 hours when we hit deadline, so if I get to L1 I won't be around to know that and then claim. But if you are town, it's in your best interest to vote somewhere else. That's all I'm saying for now because I don't believe in claiming at L3 or even L2. But lynch me at town's peril.

[oldwino]

oldwino/?/?

I think is a scum hint to his buddy to vote me.

[oldwino]

I BELIEVE NM!
UNVOTE: nm

You believe him for no reason at all. He says nothing all game and you read him as town. BS. Or scum buddies.

[oldwino]

VOTE: Aristophanes

Okay, this is fine.

And you jump all over the place, looking for a wagon that will stick. How many times have you changed your vote with no rationale?
Scum here.

[oldwino]

Ari is town. Him pointing out how Rory's sorting of him feels genuine (which I disagree, but that's incidental) is not an angle he uses as scum.

If we're gonna flashwagon somebody (not that I necessarily think that's a good idea), I'd want WhyMafia.

Didn't get any traction on WM, voting without reason, then moved on.

[oldwino]

It's the truth though. I'll go Vedith cause he's basically the scum read I'm most sure about, but even know, I feel self-doubt
Anyways, VOTE: Vedith

Vedith and Ari are both town.

Inclined to move my vote to Vedith, but I read SS as town so hesitate because of his town read on them. Maybe I'm wrong about SS. But then there are too many scum in this game.

[Vedith]

Inclined to move my vote to Vedith

VOTE: oldwino

You had a better chance with me defending you but you went this route.

[oldwino]

I think oldwino is emphasizing how much he townread Raya so people will think he didn't kill her.

This is way too much of a stretch. I was being honest about my read on Raya. Many others read her as town too. Looking for an excuse to vote me? Why?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Those could all come from scum. And I feel like him admitting the link between him and Raya might be distancing himself from that kill that his team made.

The thing is I think Not_Mafia is mafia and oldwino is WW. So I'd rather lynch oldwino because by default a WW read is twice as likely to be right and because the main anti-mafia PR can for sure get a result on whether or not Not_Mafia is mafia.

now now. we cant accuse oldwino of being the top candidate for being rayas p then go back and say hes on the opposing team. that would be like hes guilty already but we are looking for a suitable crime to accuse him of

and yes all that could be faked by scum but only individually nor all at once. everything oldwino says fits with everything else he had said so its building a homogeneous fabric altogether

and i dont understand the 2nd paragraph. how is a a ww read twice likely to be right? or are you referring to the fact we have 2 wws and 1 mafia alive so youre actually saying any random hit is twice likely to land on a ww than on mafia?

I mean its twice likely nm is a ww than mafia too. that also applies to me/you/anyone else in the game but it doesnt make a read more likely to be correct

finally how do we know what investigatives we have and whether they will make it through the night? in my view the investigatives of one alignment can win us the game if we just eradicate the faction they investigate by becoming ics. if nm flips mafia then we likely have 2 confirmed townies in addition to 2 prs who are after the wws so 4 nks for them to overcome and 4 mislynches to accomplish when we are only 10 so we have 3 days and night more likely meaning they cannot get rid of all conf town before lylo, whereas with 2 nks it is theoritically feasible over only 2 nights

but anyway discussing lynchinh which faction over which is not the main concern here. my argument is i dont scum read oldwino to begin with so im not voting him over anyone else

[oldwino]

Not really. Hopefully if it was something role related Lang Buddha will be able to handle it properly.
Realeo likes to keep secrets though so it's likely just something he saw and didn't want to point out yet.

Lane Buddha isn't even reading the game, so how could he pick up something Realeo noticed? Or maybe something Realeo saw during N1? BS reasoning. Still looking for an excuse to vote me makes SS look like scum. Too many scum in this game.

[oldwino]

Oh shit, we're getting down to the wire!
Let my do an OldWino read. I'd rather that than NM!

OMGUS vote on me from my D1 insistence he was scum. Still think Aristo is scum, but others have been much scummier during D2.

[oldwino]

In the meantime can you not waste your vote?

Why is me voting mod confirmed scum a waste?

did i miss a claim or is this just you saying youre confident in your read on wm? because i find it odd nobody else is voting there if he really was mod confirmed scum

There haven't been any claims, just more BS from Vedith.

[oldwino]

Inclined to move my vote to Vedith

VOTE: oldwino

You had a better chance with me defending you but you went this route.

VOTE: vedith
Not a policy vote, although it might as well be because he hasn't said anything of substance the entire game. Just inflammatory comments.

[oldwino]

Okay, who do you prefer?
Because I like both as not scum.

You don't think either of us are scum but you'll vote whomever SSmart wants you to vote?
Nice play.

[Vedith]

You don't think either of us are scum but you'll vote whomever SSmart wants you to vote?
Nice play.

I didn't actually vote on his request. I wanted to know who he preferred.
But I won't waste time defending someone who's voting me.

[oldwino]

You don't think either of us are scum but you'll vote whomever SSmart wants you to vote?
Nice play.

I didn't actually vote on his request. I wanted to know who he preferred.
But I won't waste time defending someone who's voting me.

I don't want your defense. When I flip town, I want you looking as scummy as possible.

[Vedith]

I don't want your defense. When I flip town, I want you looking as scummy as possible.

I won't look scummy though.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

You don't think either of us are scum but you'll vote whomever SSmart wants you to vote?
Nice play.

I didn't actually vote on his request. I wanted to know who he preferred.
But I won't waste time defending someone who's voting me.

man thats some bs reasoning to let a tr of yours hang
this game is not about personal feelings or trading favours. its about who rolled what role and lynching those who rolled scum and sparing those who rolled town regardless of how bad you think their reads/play is
im not voting nm because hes playing bad. otherwise id be voting buddha who is doing almost the exact same thing
im voting nm because i thought rory was scummy and then nm didnt manage to change that read
realeo we started on the wrong foot but my read on him changed later

[Vedith]

I don't really care.
Fucker wants to vote me, he gets the rope

[oldwino]

So I've had a really long tiring day and can't even focus anymore.
Before I sign off and maybe get lynched while I sleep, here's my best guesses about town vs scum so on D3, so town can use my thoughts to find scum.

Scum
Vedith (replaced Lane who I thought was scum. Vedith is even scummier)
Aristo hasn't contributed much of anything, fakes like he's playing and then disappears. Scummy.
Something Smart (replaced Penguin who hates playing scum, which is why I think he replaced out). Finds me scummy without any reasoning.

Null
Kantrip - I read him as town on D1 but he hasn't done anything on D2, hiding? D1 play was too strong to be scum but where did he go?
NM - I'd policy lynch him if I could have gotten a wagon to stick. His play isn't just anti town, it's antigame. Maybe that's why he has the name he does. It should be AntiMafia, not NotMafia. I liked Rory for town but NM doesn't deserve to play the game.
Lane Buddha - I read Realeo as town but hate Buddha's play. Policy lynch if I had the power. Crude and not helpful to town.

Town
Judge (not because his defense of me is so on target, but because he's shown genuine thought and analysis the entire game).
Why Mafia because of good analysis especially D2.
Kasumeat because of sound analysis on D1. Wondering why he disappeard on D2.
Crush - I didn't like PM's play, think Crush could do more, analyze more, but most of what he says has purpose and seems logical.
Oldwino is town, this I know for sure.

I hope I wake up in time to post again before I am lynched or before the deadline. I have a town claim, but not going to give it away and help scum unless I am forced to do so, but expect I'll be lynched before that time comes.

Good luck town.

[Something_Smart]

ok we're not lynching that today
VOTE: Not_Mafia
And Judge: I never called oldwino mafia, and what I meant was that a random non-mafia player (like oldwino) is twice as likely to be scum as a random non-WW player (like Not_Mafia).

[Vedith]

I'm killing you tonight, SS.

[Crush]

Are you mafia or ww vedith?