Into Africa - Over

earworm · Post Post #975 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:05 pm

elvis_knits wrote:After his last post, I think we can safely assume earworm is scum.

Your read on evilpaman is shit. You're letting him coast through this game doing absolutely nothing. I mean seriously, what pro-town things has he done?

elvis_knits · Post Post #976 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:17 pm

So you think that as scum he decided to fakeclaim zebra (VT) for no reason, and then got lucky that it's actually a role that other people have? Cause if he said zebra (VT) and somebody was a zebra (PR), or if there was only one kind of VT and it wasn't zebra, he would be fucking himself for no reason.

Seacore · Post Post #977 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:33 pm

Hey look, I'm main wagon and it's Day 3, that sounds about right. It always happens, and I'm always town.

Look, I look bad because I've been skimming this game. This is a combination of post explosions and me being useless in early game during large games.
I chose CKD over Hez because we had a claimed cop and a claimed carnivore. It seemed an easy choice to me.
Yeah, I didn't mention Hez much, but go back and look at how many players I do mention, very few, again, because I've been skimming.

Also, I'm so sick of people saying "don't hunt for an SK when town is losing". Sure, that would be fine, we should be looking for scum over an SK. But when an SK lands in our lap we should kill him.

However, I've thought a bit over it and the fact that he can only kill lurkers and I'm guessing he can only kill them during the day, makes him fairly easy to leash.
So as long as CKD says he will not kill any more lurkers unless he asks permission, then that's fine by me.

You'll get some actual reads from me in a while when I go back and analyse the game a bit more.

Seacore · Post Post #978 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:34 pm

EK, it wouldn't surprise me if scum were given all the VT animals at the beginning of the game. Makes sense, scum would know what's on the menu.

elvis_knits · Post Post #979 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:00 pm

Seacore wrote:EK, it wouldn't surprise me if scum were given all the VT animals at the beginning of the game. Makes sense, scum would know what's on the menu.

I've never heard of anything REMOTELY like this.

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Ya know, there are few things scum hate more than confirmed townies. It makes the game soooo much harder for them to win because they're already trying to kill power roles and people who suspect them.

ZeL1nK · Post Post #980 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:02 pm

I don't have time for anything other than this right now

earworm wrote:3. Zelink: why attack the Llamarble wagon and not the CKD wagon?

Because Hez was on that wagon and I don't see his buddies sticking to it when he was a sinking ship. More likely they were on other wagons or bussing him, not so obviously associating themselves with him.

Although I could be very wrong, because he did claim cop, and one of his buddies could have been like "derp I can make it look like I'm sheeping town cop here while pushing a counter-wagon for my buddy". I dunno, it's not something I'm really paying attention to right now.

Seacore · Post Post #981 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:19 pm

elvis_knits wrote:
Seacore wrote:EK, it wouldn't surprise me if scum were given all the VT animals at the beginning of the game. Makes sense, scum would know what's on the menu.

I've never heard of anything REMOTELY like this.

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Ya know, there are few things scum hate more than confirmed townies. It makes the game soooo much harder for them to win because they're already trying to kill power roles and people who suspect them.

Normally there is a single VT flavour. This game clearly has multiple.
Scum usually start with knowing the single VT flavour (enabling them to not get screwed by a masslclaim), This game may allow them to know the multiple VT flavours.

Imagine what would happen with a D1 massclaim of animals. We'd have heaps more antelopes than anybody else, then it's revealed that gazelles and zebras are also VTs. But antelopes were the only sample provided. We'd know the scum are in there. Easy win.

In theme games based on stories (novels, movies, tv shows) it's not uncommon to give fake claim characters out to players.
In my colour concentration game there were 3 different colours that were town, I told the scum what those colours were.

So I repeat it would not surprise me at all if the scum were told "VTs in this game are antelopes, gazelles and zebras" or whatever.

Also, I've watched games absolutely destroyed by "confirmed town" when they aren't. Go read A Storm of Swords mafia for evidence. Hascow won the game with a single D1 gambit that "couldn't possibly come from scum"

Seacore · Post Post #982 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:27 pm

Hmph, turns out on revision that the sample PM is an elephant... my bad. I must have read Vezok's early claim, combined with the day 1 flip that made me think that was the Sample PM. Told you I was skimming.

The rest of my post is still valid however.

Llamarble · Post Post #983 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:43 pm

I'll catch up on this tonight after I finish a library book that's due tomorrow.

Llamarble · Post Post #984 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:43 pm

I'll catch up on this tonight after I finish a library book that's due tomorrow.

Amrun · Post Post #985 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:02 pm

Don't understand Seacore wagon.

Lowell · Post Post #986 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:21 pm

The llamarble wagon totally fell apart yesterday. Anyone want to explain why? Certainly isn't because he actually did something useful.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #987 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:51 pm

^^^funny on several levels.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #988 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:50 am

earworm wrote:
elvis_knits wrote:After his last post, I think we can safely assume earworm is scum.

Your read on evilpaman is shit. You're letting him coast through this game doing absolutely nothing. I mean seriously, what pro-town things has he done?

How is this a defense? You're deflecting.

elvis_knits · Post Post #989 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:10 am

Ok Seacore. The thing about the people I'm semi-confirming in this game is I don't think that I am 100% right, but that I am VERY likely right. So like, if you really had a good case and a good explanation, maybe I could go for it. But I just think it's stupid to look at those people (like pacman or vezok) first when they are very likely town and we have so much other scummy people to choose from.

Seacore - this is what I need you to do:

1)Stop giving excuses like "I'm useless early game" and "oops I've been skimming"

2)Explain why you never commented on Hez

3)Give reads on every player in the game

Amrun · Post Post #990 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:24 am

Lowell wrote:The llamarble wagon totally fell apart yesterday. Anyone want to explain why? Certainly isn't because he actually did something useful.

WHY DIdD YOU HAVE TO POST NOW YOU CANT DIE

Ckd is llamarble eligible for death? Let it be so.

populartajo · Post Post #991 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:43 am

Posting from phone, big post tonight.

Llamarble · Post Post #992 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:21 am

Okay, today I am going to try to actually have an impact on the game.
Yay town for lynching 50/50 while I was being worthless.

VOTE: Amrun

Llamarble · Post Post #993 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:45 am

LlamaFluff wrote:
Vote Count

Although an elephant has four knees, it is the only mammal that cannot jump.

HezLucky (7) - Flavour Analysis, ZeL1nK, populartajo, vezokpiraka, GreyICE, Fate, DietyKabuto
Llamarble (6) - elvis_knits, Seacore, curiouskarmadog, Lowell, snarky, Cirno
snarky (2) - Amrun, evilpacman18
Lowell (1) - earworm
curiouskarmadog (1) - HezLucky

Not Voting (3) - Llamarble, inHimshallibe, Altilysan

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch

Starting to think that Snarkywagon was pure scum.
I need some townreads. Zelink is still probtown.

CKD is very unlikely to be lionscum.

Amrun · Post Post #994 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:51 am

You don't get to lurk2victory, sorry. Voting for a rondom person, even me, will not deflect attention off of you.

How do you know the scum is all lions?

GreyICE · Post Post #995 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:04 am

vezokpiraka wrote:
GreyICE wrote:
Vote: Vezok

Dear christ you're still not town.

If you were town you wouldn't have pushed a lynch on me. I know you read me perfectly.

unvote
vote GI[/b[

You are the one that killed Fate aren't you?

This is the worst OMGUS I've seen in a while.

Yeah I read you. Random aggression, and abusing your meta of claiming early

You're not stupid in the least just... linear. And lurky.

Llamarble · Post Post #996 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:10 am

I don't know scum is all lions.
By lionscum I mean 'on the same scumteam as the guy who flipped Lion cub.'
You're not a random person.
None of my votes have been random.
Vezok seemed scummy to me, but Grey is kind of scummy too.

Snarky · Post Post #997 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:10 am

OH YEAH SOMEONE IS WITH ME ON AMRUM!!!! (only problem is, I think this person is scum, and Seacore is scummier)

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #998 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:18 am

fyi, will be away from comp afternoon 07/01 until evening 07/04, though I dont think I will be back here until 07/05

ZeL1nK · Post Post #999 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:48 pm

I think the seacore wagon is crap. As was the llarmable wagon yesterday.

Which reminds me, I need to go back and look at how the llarmable wagon developed at some point.

Not saying that either of them is necessarily town, but the reasoning here is pretty weak. Although I would like to see them actually participate, and you know... post something... I don't want either of them lynched today.