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Deadline is in
Firstly: You actually responded to this post... Uh good job? There literally is no point to doing so.In post 963, ICEninja wrote:If you notice, I wasn't telling you to leave Thor alone. I was telling you to shut the fuck up about a point that was stupid and made no sense and to start scum hunting, because you weren't. This, ladies and gentleman, is actually a misrepresentation, unlike what half of day 1 was arguing about.Slandaar wrote: WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH LEAVE THOR ALONE!!!
I am ready and I am town thanks.In post 967, ICEninja wrote:Are you guys kidding me right now?
Someone take your vote off me. No town player should be ready for a lynch at this point, and no town player should be demanding a claim at this point.
I have shown a game where we had daychat and I bussed Thor out Day 1, ICE has failed at this point to acknowledge this and explain why the huge differences do not matter as it shows his case is completely wrong.In post 945, ICEninja wrote: Think about it. How many players told Slandaar to STFU and he never listened? Even Thor himself had an awkward response in post 462 that really made me make a weird face though I didn't understand at the time. Thor was, through daytalk, pushing Slandaar to push push push and they had this HUGE d1 back and forward. It was the perfect distancing scheme.
How many of you would, as town, do what Slandaar did d1 with such a stupidly weak case? Both Slandaar and Thor damn well knew Thor wasn't going to be lynched d1.
The point is he tried shifting wagons off of someone he was confident is scum onto someone who he is less confident is scum AFTER the first person (ABR) had claimed VT.In post 965, zakk wrote: I mean, Slandaar, throw me a bone here. If you're such a profitable lynch that both Thor and IceNinja wanted out of the way (your very own comment on IceNinja's post 697, ring a bell?), then what's your brilliant hypothesis on why you haven't been killed at night yet?
WAT A HIDER JUST FLIPPED I DUNNO WHAT IT DOES AND I AM NOT GONNA CHECK OR ASK WHAT IT DOES OR ANYTHING BUT DAMN THAT SUCKS!!! ONE OF THOR AND SLAND SCUM BUT NOT BOTH!!!!!In post 754, ICEninja wrote:Well damn. OK. That sucks.
Neither Maxous nor F-16 feels like a vig kill to me. Slandaar would have shot Thor if he was a vig, and anyone else probably would have shot Slandaar.
I'm not going to assume anything, but this feels like either a two-family mafia game or we've got a serial killer.
I'm now having serious doubts about Thor. I obviously can't trust ABR completely, as I still don't understand why he played the way he played, but he might have been on to something.
My current biggest suspects are [zakk, fitz, Garmr, Skelda] because I'm almost certain there was at least one scum lurking throughout that entire debacle, and one of Thor or Slandaar but not both.
Looking at the votes for day 1, I'm feeling like Garmr is a good bet right now.
Vote Garmr.
In post 346, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Thor, my case on you is made up. The reason I made it up is because I wanted to teach you that if you go against me, this is what will come of it. It's not wise for you to go against me. I'm stronger. I scumhunt better. I get who I want lynched more often than you do. Remember that. Tell your QT buddies if you're scum.
Unvote Thor
I'll revisit this vote when I deem it appropriate. For now, I want to let you do your dance in front of the new players.
Vote Axxle
I HAS NO OPINION ON THIS MADE UP CASE I NEED TO SEE WHAT OTHERS THINK FIRST!!!!!!!!! ABR SURE IS HILARIOUS THOUGH MAKING CASES UP THAT SURE IS FUNNY!!In post 351, ICEninja wrote:LOL Albert you crack me up.
In post 301, ICEninja wrote: I'm liking the zakk votes, though, and I'm still thinking TCold could use some rope.
In post 646, ICEninja wrote:Hey look at that, zakk posted.
I now strongly feel like this guy is the best bet for our lurking scum.
In post 754, ICEninja wrote: My current biggest suspects are [zakk, fitz, Garmr, Skelda]
Zakk is likely scum for what? who knows... and then Zakk not scum because max got nightkilled? how does this make any sense? IT DOESN'T.In post 781, ICEninja wrote: I feel like the NK on Maxous suggests zakk is probably not scum. Maxous was one of the few people saying zakk is town, and he also laid out a fairly solid case towards the end of the day in post 719. While there's always a lot of WIFOM is trying to analyze the night 1 kill, I feel like scum would do more to prevent the night kill from having any interaction with Thor, and shooting someone who just made a decent case on scum Garmr but didn't push it (and was told by me to pursue it further) just kind of makes sense.
Obvious.In post 953, Slandaar wrote:And look its just too perfect 'IF SKELDA AND SLAND TOWN' (TRUE) Zakk is scum! (TRUE)In post 945, ICEninja wrote: A quick look at vote counts shows Skelda as the most likely partner to Thor, and based literally just on the D1 lynch zakk is the only other possibility if neither Skelda nor Slandaar is scum.
Its a scum thing to semi distance.
Crash and Burn.In post 961, ICEninja wrote:It's in Slandaar's best interest to lynch this quickly.
That should tell you something about his alignment.
CRASH AND BURN.In post 89, ICEninja wrote: For the record I find Thor's call for a speed lynch to be perfectly reasonable.
Exactly. Thanks for pointing out to town why I said this in the first place.Slandaar wrote: that is only a misrep if you are town and I knew you are town
You really sure are trying to insist this a lot, aren't you?Slandaar wrote: I am ready and I am town thanks.
That's nice. I've already said in this game that trying to defend yourself via meta is scummy. Especially trying to point to one example? Please, I've done completely different things in every game I've played as scum.Slandaar wrote: I have shown a game
Trying your best to lynch scum on day 1 instead of town is also pure profits for town. At that point ABR was trying to fight tooth and nail to stay alive, and I was having doubts. There was no guarantee that ABR was the lynch at the point you are referencing.Slandaar wrote: That is pure profits for scum. Also ABR was already dead he was never surviving the make a case up stuff so my lynch was worth infinitely more.
This very clearly demonstrates that Garmr is more interested in pushing a wagon than lynching scum. He practically admitted to wanting to push the easier mislynch here. This kind of slip screams newbscum, which Garmr seems to fit the bill nicely.Garmr wrote: Well I made my vote earlier before I really looked at the wagon deeply and that was around the time I was asked to look onto my wagon. I was and still am having trouble deciding which wagon to place my vote down. Zakk is not posting much at all and bit of pressure may make him pick up his game. But Albert is posting more and awagon on him and is more likely to slip.
VOTE: Zakk
Now he's expressing willingness to follow Thor.Garmr wrote: I said you were scum yet I think zakk is the better lynch because he is. But I'm quite qilling to lynch you to. If you are VT town you screwed up town play if your scum your going for the safe claim.
Your tipping my hand to vote you.
More pushing from the sidelines. This is a LOT scummier than what Slandaar is accusing me of.Garmr wrote: I interrupted it that way. But why would you think that. Sure i feel like your scum but i got 8 days to place my vote. 8 days is allot of time to gather more information and make my case against Zakk. Zakk>You Also placing you at lynch one would be stupid since people will herpaderp hammer you.
He really wanted to read both Slandaar and Thor as town, that's for sure. Pity he couldn't give Thor a town read anymore.Slandaar wrote: At the end of the debate I decided Slandaar was town and Thor was Town the Thor read changing today because of the night actions.
Well lets smash this misrep out the way. Read it all I mean all of it. My post said i wanted pressure on zakk so he would post more and not lurk. But ABR already had a wagon and was more likely to slip if he was scum. So setting up albert for a early lynch or pushing zakk for more activity where would you place your vote?.In post 987, ICEninja wrote:Garmr wrote:
Well I made my vote earlier before I really looked at the wagon deeply and that was around the time I was asked to look onto my wagon. I was and still am having trouble deciding which wagon to place my vote down. Zakk is not posting much at all and bit of pressure may make him pick up his game. But Albert is posting more and a wagon on him and is more likely to slip.
VOTE: Zakk
This very clearly demonstrates that Garmr is more interested in pushing a wagon than lynching scum. He practically admitted to wanting to push the easier mislynch here. This kind of slip screams newbscum, which Garmr seems to fit the bill nicely.
This post felt really contrived to me. There could be two likely reasons for this, one he was really hoping ABR would claim power role or two he was faking frustration. Town simply doesn't get that upset when someone claims VT at a perfectly justifiable moment.
In post 945, ICEninja wrote:So here's my conspiracy theory that makes SO MUCH more sense now that we saw a daychat flip (NOTE: I have never to memory encountered an encrypter before, but I have not only encountered scum with daychat but BEEN scum with daychat.Therefore I believe that either only Thor was allowed to post and the other read or Thor was able to have a one-on-one with one but not all scum. Otherwise they would just have daytalk powers and the name "encrypter" would not have been neccesary.I believe scum's daytalk abilities died with thor) I think Slandaar is a very likely scum buddy for Thor.
ooooooooooooooooooooooooh how pretty!In post 988, ICEninja wrote:Finally, let's look at this:
Vote Count 1.21
havingfitz(0)
ICEninja (0)
zakk (0)
Garmr (2) Skelda,Maxous
toolenduso (0)
Sir Bastion (0)
Slandaar (0)
Thor665(2) Slandaar,Albert B. Rampage
Elyse (0)
Maxous(0)
F-16_Fighting_Falcon(0)
Albert B. Rampage(7)Thor665, toolenduso, Sir Bastion, ICEninja, Elyse, Garmr,F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Skelda (0)
Not Voting:havingfitz, zakk
One of those assumptions that in fact is worthless.In post 988, ICEninja wrote: Here are a few assumptions I feel safe making for the purpose of day 3's lynch:
1) There wasNOTa whole scum team voting for ABR here.
Eh, no, someone was going to point it out it was pretty obvious. Oh and scum had daychat.In post 988, ICEninja wrote: 2) Due to Elyse flat out ensuring Thor's death at the beginning of day 2, it is safe to say she is not scum.
Or they killed Max who was pretty unanimously townread and then Fitz who is a PR... who knows? If we are saying 2 scum on the wagon why not just say all 3? oh right point 1!!!In post 988, ICEninja wrote: 3) Scum having directed BOTH of their night kills to people off the ABR wagon suggests that there are probably 2 scum on the wagon.
Yeah this is pretty laughable.In post 988, ICEninja wrote: Number 3 especially makes sense considering the people OFF the wagon who are still alive is a grand total of Skelda, Slandaar, and zakk. Zakk is a weak town read because I don't think scum would have wanted to kill the only guy calling him town.
Or I am town who read Thor based on a high level meta case.In post 988, ICEninja wrote: Slandaar tunneled Thor unbelievably hard the entirety of Day 1. There's NO POSSIBLE way that town Slandaar could have known from that retarded misrep debacle that Thor was scum. He was SO SURE. Because he WAS sure. Duh.
Well, did Thor even post Day 2? Was he hammered before he had the chance?In post 937, Sir Bastion wrote:Then just explain your post.In post 933, Skelda wrote: I don't know what I'm doing, I don't remember what was going on, and I've hardly read the thread. So yes, I imagine I would be.
I'd be putting more effort into this game if I were scum. As it stands, I overbooked myself. And I'm not really in the swing of things. I could just replace out if you don't want to bother dealing with me. Or I could stay and try to makd myself useful somehow.
What do you mean by Ice being afraid of Thor incriminating him? Is there a particular post where ICE tried to shut day 2 down early or avoided chatting to thor?
True.In post 986, ICEninja wrote: Trying your best to lynch scum on day 1 instead of town is also pure profits for town.
That is funny!In post 986, ICEninja wrote: I also find it funny that Slandaar isn't including the other scum, Garmr (I'll explain in a bit), in the scum team.He isn't willing to take the risk that once I flip town and Garmr scum that people are going to remember that I called out the whole scum team on day 3.
You mean trying to lynch Thor (scum) and not being a part of any mislynches?In post 986, ICEninja wrote: The only way scum can win is to lynch 2 townies in a row, pretty much. So long as everyone takes the time to really digest the information and look at where Slandaar's motives have been all game, town will close this one out.
Maxous wasn't quite unanimous. I had him on my scumlist going into day 2, and I believe I had stated during day 1 that I suspected him.In post 993, Slandaar wrote: Or they killed Max who was pretty unanimously townread and then Fitz who is a PR... who knows? If we are saying 2 scum on the wagon why not just say all 3? oh right point 1!!!.
Do go on.In post 994, Skelda wrote: I'd be down with Slandaar dying, I suppose. He seems to fit nicely with Thor as scum.
If my signature is up to date and accurate, this would be my 29th.Elyse wrote: ICE, how many games have you played in?