Mini #717 - Alpha Centauri Smalltown (Game Over!)

[Gremwell]

wow, a wagon this early is no good without someone asking some questions to get something from it, I mean 4 people havent even posted yet.

what needs to be understood is that we're looking at a 4 death per day/night cycle, not even counting mismason and supersaint. this game can be over real quick so we really need to make our days count.


and whats the big idea with the attempted self hammer? not liking the looks of that

[Occam]

and whats the big idea with the attempted self hammer? not liking the looks of that

Actually, it was an attempted (and successful, in fact) L-1, clearly discernible when you look at the VC directly above my post.

But

unvote

- I don't actually want to die and my death won't actually give the town anything, either. What I wanted was to realize how completely ridiculous that wagon was.

Now I'm putting my money where my mouth is.

vote: Cephrir

[MonkeyMan576]

Okay, so Occam votes himself to try to convince people that he's really town, and then he admits that he attacked without voting, which makes it look like he's trying to throw suspicion off himself without presenting a good arguement to do so.

I understand the pitfalls of a quick lynch, but if everyone who voted for Occum thinks he is the most guilty, it doesn't really make sense to unvote to avoid lynching, if you actually think he is scum. Cephir does look like a bandwagon vote, but at this point I am for more concerned with Occum.

[charter]

viewtopic.php?t=6981 - just over 1 page
viewtopic.php?t=9889&postdays=0&postord ... &start=100 - just over 4 pages

Another mini where someone went from 0 or 1 votes to 7 and hammered I believe on one page. - viewtopic.php?t=9466&postdays=0&postord ... &start=325

[Oman]

Occam is scared, which is fair. But srsly way too many people on this for it to be a wagon on scum early.

Vote: Cephrir

You don't say you're jumping on the largest bandwagon for no reason. You're doing it for a reason.

[Occam]

Okay, so Occam votes himself to try to convince people that he's really town, and then he admits that he attacked without voting, which makes it look like he's trying to throw suspicion off himself without presenting a good arguement to do so.

What you're missing is the timing. I needed my vote on me to stay at L-1 until someone withdrew their vote, which charter did - then, in my very next post, I moved my vote to where I actually wanted it. I thought I made that pretty clear.

[Occam]

Cephir does look like a bandwagon vote

It doesn't just look like a bandwagon vote, it's the most blatent bandwagon vote I've ever seen that didn't come right out and say "I'm voting to bandwagon".

[Cephrir]

Unvote

. Holy crap, I did not notice how many votes he had. My bad.

[Empking]

I don't want to put the number of votes you have too high, but I wish I could vote for you: Cephrir

[Cephrir]

Cephir does look like a bandwagon vote

It doesn't just look like a bandwagon vote, it's the most blatent bandwagon vote I've ever seen that didn't come right out and say "I'm voting to bandwagon".

Or alternatively, it looks like

a random vote

.

[Oman]

Cephir does look like a bandwagon vote

It doesn't just look like a bandwagon vote, it's the most blatent bandwagon vote I've ever seen that didn't come right out and say "I'm voting to bandwagon".

Or alternatively, it looks like

a random vote

.

No it doesn't.

Now you're lieing. LAL.

[farside22]

Cephir does look like a bandwagon vote

It doesn't just look like a bandwagon vote, it's the most blatent bandwagon vote I've ever seen that didn't come right out and say "I'm voting to bandwagon".

Or alternatively, it looks like

a random vote

.

No it doesn't.

Now you're lieing. LAL.

Where do you see that cephrir was voting on occum based on the votes on him already?

[MonkeyMan576]

Cephir does look like a bandwagon vote

It doesn't just look like a bandwagon vote, it's the most blatent bandwagon vote I've ever seen that didn't come right out and say "I'm voting to bandwagon".

Or alternatively, it looks like

a random vote

.

No it doesn't.

Now you're lieing. LAL.

Where do you see that cephrir was voting on occum based on the votes on him already?

Vote: Occam for no particular reason.

[farside22]

Cephir does look like a bandwagon vote

It doesn't just look like a bandwagon vote, it's the most blatent bandwagon vote I've ever seen that didn't come right out and say "I'm voting to bandwagon".

Or alternatively, it looks like

a random vote

.

No it doesn't.

Now you're lieing. LAL.

Where do you see that cephrir was voting on occum based on the votes on him already?

Vote: Occam for no particular reason.

Where do you see that cephrir was voting on occum based on the votes on him already

?

Yes it looks like a BW. Cephrir is stating it was random. Oman is calling him a liar. Why? Based on what?

[Oman]

The fact that its a fantastic coincidence that he apparently hasn't been reading the posts above him and then all of a sudden votes the guy with the biggest wagon.

C'mon!

[farside22]

The fact that its a fantastic coincidence that he apparently hasn't been reading the posts above him and then all of a sudden votes the guy with the biggest wagon.

C'mon!

So you don't believe Occum had a knee jerk reaction to the votes on him? Do you really belive a pro-town person votes themself?
I do agree that cephrir's vote and no reason at the time look rediculous. I just don't like Occum's post or self vote.

[Oman]

The fact that its a fantastic coincidence that he apparently hasn't been reading the posts above him and then all of a sudden votes the guy with the biggest wagon.

C'mon!

So you don't believe Occum had a knee jerk reaction to the votes on him? Do you really belive a pro-town person votes themself?
I do agree that cephrir's vote and no reason at the time look rediculous. I just don't like Occum's post or self vote.

I refuse to believe occum's self vote as anything more that what it usually is: a null tell. Its interesting, but not able to be analysed right now.

you see there are too many variables to deal with here. I can give you one scum-occum for every town-occum scenario you give me. And one town-occum for every scum given to me.

We'll look back on it later, especially if occum is scum.

[farside22]

The fact that its a fantastic coincidence that he apparently hasn't been reading the posts above him and then all of a sudden votes the guy with the biggest wagon.

C'mon!

So you don't believe Occum had a knee jerk reaction to the votes on him? Do you really belive a pro-town person votes themself?
I do agree that cephrir's vote and no reason at the time look rediculous. I just don't like Occum's post or self vote.

I refuse to believe occum's self vote as anything more that what it usually is: a null tell. Its interesting, but not able to be analysed right now.

you see there are too many variables to deal with here. I can give you one scum-occum for every town-occum scenario you give me. And one town-occum for every scum given to me.

We'll look back on it later, especially if occum is scum.

I think self voting when he did and saying it's town is terrible thing to say. It's not a null thing in my view. The are very, very few times I vote for self and I can see scum doing it to gain sympathy.

[Oman]

The fact that its a fantastic coincidence that he apparently hasn't been reading the posts above him and then all of a sudden votes the guy with the biggest wagon.

C'mon!

So you don't believe Occum had a knee jerk reaction to the votes on him? Do you really belive a pro-town person votes themself?
I do agree that cephrir's vote and no reason at the time look rediculous. I just don't like Occum's post or self vote.

I refuse to believe occum's self vote as anything more that what it usually is: a null tell. Its interesting, but not able to be analysed right now.

you see there are too many variables to deal with here. I can give you one scum-occum for every town-occum scenario you give me. And one town-occum for every scum given to me.

We'll look back on it later, especially if occum is scum.

I think self voting when he did and saying it's town is terrible thing to say. It's not a null thing in my view. The are very, very few times I vote for self and I can see scum doing it to gain sympathy.

You see scumtell, I see nulltell. We're different. I'll review it later, but you must agree that ciphrirs clean lie is a worse act than a selfvote.

[MonkeyMan576]

The fact that its a fantastic coincidence that he apparently hasn't been reading the posts above him and then all of a sudden votes the guy with the biggest wagon.

C'mon!

So you don't believe Occum had a knee jerk reaction to the votes on him? Do you really belive a pro-town person votes themself?
I do agree that cephrir's vote and no reason at the time look rediculous. I just don't like Occum's post or self vote.

I refuse to believe occum's self vote as anything more that what it usually is: a null tell. Its interesting, but not able to be analysed right now.

you see there are too many variables to deal with here. I can give you one scum-occum for every town-occum scenario you give me. And one town-occum for every scum given to me.

We'll look back on it later, especially if occum is scum.

I think self voting when he did and saying it's town is terrible thing to say. It's not a null thing in my view. The are very, very few times I vote for self and I can see scum doing it to gain sympathy.

You see scumtell, I see nulltell. We're different. I'll review it later, but you must agree that ciphrirs clean lie is a worse act than a selfvote.

Self-voting isn't the only thing Occum has done that's scummy though, there's also suggesting BP isn't a powerful town role, and then strongly defending the statement after a logical reason was given that it is.

[farside22]

I refuse to believe occum's self vote as anything more that what it usually is: a null tell. Its interesting, but not able to be analysed right now.

you see there are too many variables to deal with here. I can give you one scum-occum for every town-occum scenario you give me. And one town-occum for every scum given to me.

We'll look back on it later, especially if occum is scum.

I think self voting when he did and saying it's town is terrible thing to say. It's not a null thing in my view. The are very, very few times I vote for self and I can see scum doing it to gain sympathy.

You see scumtell, I see nulltell. We're different. I'll review it later, but you must agree that ciphrirs clean lie is a worse act than a selfvote.

No because he did it when he was under pressure and he attacked with a weak vote on me basically saying what I did was the same as what he did, which is false. So no.
Where cephrir deffinately needs to explain himself.

[Cephrir]

If it was a bandwagon vote, why would I word it as though I hadn't noticed the other votes? When I finished what I was saying and decided to random vote, I just looked up and his was the first name I saw. Don't get why it's being assumed that I'm lying.

Occam's selfvote is weird, there's not much else to say about it. I do think it's a slight scumtell, there's no protown reason to pull shenanigans like that, ever, but he seemed to think it made sense.

Vote: Oman

for assuming that I'm lying for no apparent reason, and for not finding Occam at least a bit shady after that exchange.

[Occam]

There was nothing scummy about my self-vote. I did it knowingly, so you'd all say "holy crap, why is he at L-1, that's ridiculous" (which it was). The point was to get a vote off of me, which I did. Then I put my vote where I actually wanted it.

I'm sure I could look through games and find countless instances of self-voting that was scummy, countless where it was protown, and countless where it was null - which this was. I'm not arguing it was a protown move, I just want some breathing room.

Just FTR I still don't think BP is a significant town role in comparison to all the others. The thing I think you might have overlooked is that EVERYONE in the game is a power role. There aren't any weak, vulnerable vanillas - in an ordinary setup, BP would definitely be an asset - but in this game, not so much.

[Occam]

@ Ceph -

If your "random vote" had been the hammer, do you think it would have looked scummy? If it had been the hammer, you could have used the very same defense: essentially, I voted without reading the game. How is this situation different than that one?

[Drunken Piper]

Whoa I am gone for a couple hours,
3 pages gone, and many sour…

(sip)

I will get the colonel please....look for scum to try to hang me day one...nice....

Bulletproof sounds dangerous in the hands of scum and essentially useless for town, since everyone already knows who's bulletproof. Based on that:

vote: DP

...

Please explain to me your reasoning behind this statement? How is me being bulletproof DANGEROUS to the town? I am not lynch proof..or investigation proof…RB proof.. Other than the vig, who else uses bullets and how does that make me dangerous…

This is a bullshit reason to vote (obvious not random) and my vote will be going here pending on the rest of the read.

Post 69, now I should be hung because I am useless?...bullshit.

Post 76, now he is flaking and self voting, putting self at -1?

Wait he admits it was a ploy to get votes off of him.

Occam please explain to me why a.) you felt I was a good lynch because I was useless…b.) explain to me why I am usless over other roles…c.) explain to me how I am a danger to the town…d.) explain to me how I am a bigger danger to the town over being a danger to scum…and finally e.) do you really see no advantage for us having someone who is bulletproof against scum?