Newbie 774 - Spegezzironi: Game Over! TOWN WINS!

[sekinj]

Day 1: Vote Count 8

(# of votes against) Voted Player - by Voter(s)

(0) ckool5000 - by none

(0) Johoohno - by none

(0) cpe - by none

(4) Lamont_Cranston - by Sotty7; Rustythepirate; muzzz; SensFan

(0) Perpetuum - by none

(0) Rustythepirate - by none

(2) SensFan - by cpe; Lamont_Cranston

(0) Sotty7 - by none

(1) muzzz - by Perpetuum

Not Voting: ckool5000; Johoohno

With nine (9) citizens alive it takes

five (5) votes to lynch.

Day 1 Deadline: 5/09/09 12:00 PM CST

Announcement:
-Perpetuum has been prodded

Please PM me if I have missed anything.

[Johoohno]

I'll give Perpetuum some time to answer the prod, and if nothing fabulous comes from him I'll be ready to hammer Lamont_Cranston.

But I'd like have a bit more interaction from Perpetuum this day before Night.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well don't blame me when I flip village. You can save the blame for yourself on that one I've given my best

[cpe]

I think we could do with more analysis.

[SensFan]

Well don't blame me when I flip village.

Stop fucking appealing to emotion. It is HURTING your case, since its a completely invalid, illogical, and unfounded argument.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Stop fucking telling me what to do -- face it you are going to have to DEAL WITH IT when I flip village -- FACE AND and stop whining!

[Johoohno]

@ Lamont_Cranston:

Use your time finding scum by doing a re-read! Appealing to emotion won't work, but finding scum and stating your tells might do the job.

(And if you're lynched and flips scum, a final analysis of yours will give us plenty more to go on day 2.)

[Johoohno]

EBWOP: flips town (but an analysis will be handy no matter your alignment)

[SensFan]

Stop fucking telling me what to do -- face it you are going to have to DEAL WITH IT when I flip village -- FACE AND and stop whining!

No, I won't have to deal with SHIT ALL.

In fact, I will say right now, that even IF you flip Villager, I won't regret supporting your lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is round 1. There almost is never much to go on WITHIN the first round. All I can recommend is setting up a dual BW. It makes it harder for the scum to hide. Since everybody believes I'm mafi I cannot possibly be BOTH of them. So line up your #2 suspect split the votes 50/50 and watch who goes where and when. Being village I can only know for sure that Sensfan, Rusty, Mills & Sotty have hit me pretty hard. So Day2 I would lynch from that list. I don't believe that you Johoolno are scum so thats it

[Lamont_Cranston]

LOL wow that is so anti-village but I guess thats just you hey Sens?

[Lamont_Cranston]

And you WILL deal with it regardless.

[SensFan]

LOL wow that is so anti-village but I guess thats just you hey Sens?

No, its not.

You're playing on emotion, you're not playing logically, and its a lynch. I never EVER regret being on a wagon.

[Lamont_Cranston]

That is just dumb and its an arrogant anti-village attitude.

I always regret lynching a villager even if they were as dumb as a box of rocks (not so much there tho)

[SensFan]

That is just dumb and its an arrogant anti-village attitude.

Nope. In fact, I am fully aware I'll participate in a Town lynch just as, if not more, often than I participate in a Scum lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

There are such things as "neutral" lynches when its like a certainty for the village to win lynching off of a list but other than that it HURTS the village to lynch a villager. The Mafi advances the village gets weaker. Its just basic gameplay. You just want to hide from the pain & the reality of it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is round 1. There almost is never much to go on WITHIN the first round. All I can recommend is setting up a dual BW. It makes it harder for the scum to hide. Since everybody believes I'm mafi I cannot possibly be BOTH of them. So line up your #2 suspect split the votes 50/50 and watch who goes where and when. Being village I can only know for sure that Sensfan, Rusty, Mills & Sotty have hit me pretty hard. So Day2 I would lynch from that list. I don't believe that you Johoolno are scum so thats it

Oh ya if you like my litle list then for the dual BW to work you have to have one from that list be ur #2 suspect

[muzzz]

Muzz I shouldn't have to explain to you why CPE got me vote, it should be obvious to anyone who is paying attention.

Excellent righteous indignation. We'll see how righteious you are when I flip village.

Try analyzing the game for yourself instead of asking me to do it for you.

You should explain all of your votes. In fact, you should explain most of your actions. Not to analyze the game for me, but so that I can make an informed decision about you and your opinions. Explaining stuff is part of what townies do. It's

your

responsibility to convince others that you and your opinions are genuine.

If you think someone needs a vote, you need to provide facts to back that up. But more importantly, you need to explain

why

those facts lead you to a vote. And that's the part that you've been lacking in mostly. I'm out of time right now, but I'll go through some specific examples for you later.

I'll appeal to the truth thank you because you will have to deal with it when I flip villager.

Appealing is useless on it's own. We have no reason to believe any of your villager claims at the moment.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Its still the truth however and I'm doing my job as village tio state as such emphatically

[Lamont_Cranston]

You should explain all of your votes. In fact, you should explain most of your actions. Not to analyze the game for me, but so that I can make an informed decision about you and your opinions. Explaining stuff is part of what townies do. It's

your

responsibility to convince others that you and your opinions are genuine.

If you think someone needs a vote, you need to provide facts to back that up. But more importantly, you need to explain

why

those facts lead you to a vote. And that's the part that you've been lacking in mostly. I'm out of time right now, but I'll go through some specific examples for you later.

I explained every vote and my actions in general. You have chosen note to follow along with my explanations. If the village lynches me it will be their responsibility to figure out why.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Because I will flip village.

[muzzz]

I looked at the reasons you provided, and picked out the ones that I found most unsatisfactory.

Unvote, vote ckool

The dynamics have changed

Which dynamics? How have they changed? How does that change lead to your Ckool vote?

Based on the change of current events I am changing my vote to Johoolno to further investigate this voting dynamic.

What current events? What change? What voting dynamic? Why do they lead yo your vote? How do you think your vote will help investigate?

Before CPE arrived, I became convinced that the two BW choices were both Village. I refuse to participate in the village lynching itself.

The johoolno lynch was to easy. That give me a bad feeeling.

How does an easy bandwagon imply that the target is townie?

No it was the 24 hours of total silence immediately followed by his vote which was made with total disregard for the village in both your lynching and his own.

Why is the 24 hours of silence significant? What makes you think his vote was made with total disregard for the village?

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Its still the truth however and I'm doing my job as village tio state as such emphatically

You

claim

it's the truth. Maybe it is, but the rest of us don't know that. For all we know you could be (and IMO probably are) one of the two lying scumbags.

I explained every vote and my actions in general. You have chosen note to follow along with my explanations. If the village lynches me it will be their responsibility to figure out why.

You feel you've explained them. I disagree. So do several other people. That means your explanations are insufficient.

You keep whining about how we're going to lynch a townie. But the simple fact is that you've shown the least townie-like behavior of all players in this game. Your fault, not ours.

[Sotty7]

I like the idea of a fast-ish lynch because we have a lot more information after the night. Though of course the longer the day continues, the more likely it is that the mafia slip up and give something away. So, yes, a slower lynch probably aids the town, a faster lynch could lead to a more exciting game though... I guess playing to win beats playing for fun... Lets slow it down...

The game is still fun. Playing at 1000mph isn't going to increase the fun value.

As it's still being discussed... Whilst, the simplest is often correct, it isn't always. And surely a follow could imply something about the person being followed. (I actually already know of Occam's Razor)

And, I haven't giving up on thinking L_C should probably be lynched, what I was saying was that he and SenFen were my only two suspects and if you people are all right, I'm wrong to particularly suspect SenFen, that leaves just L_C, but recent comments are giving me all sorts of other bits of suspicion...

While you do have a point, right now there is no actual case on Sensfan. All you have on him it seems is that LC was following him. Sens is right when he says LC following him really has nothing to do with him. That doesn't mean you can't be suspicious of Sens, by all means keep your eyes open and look for things Sens does but right now all you really have is a gut feeling. What if LC flips town? Is Sens still going to gainer the same suspicion from you?

Well, since I'm new to this site I would like some reinforcement on how policy lynching is not allowed in a newbie game. Otherwise my vote stands with CPE.

The johoolno lynch was to easy. That give me a bad feeeling.

Explain what about cpe you don't like.

Explain what policy you are voting him on.

Then explain to me what a newbie game means.

I agree on the suggestion of SensFan aggression, especially having been the target of it...

VOTE: SensFan

What is scummy about aggression?

Well I think it should be at least explored as his behavior is kind of knocking around in the back of my head as possibly scummy.

Vote Sensfan

WHY?!

I'll give Perpetuum some time to answer the prod, and if nothing fabulous comes from him I'll be ready to hammer Lamont_Cranston.

But I'd like have a bit more interaction from Perpetuum this day before Night.

FOS: Johoohno

Why are you ready to hammer?

This is round 1. There almost is never much to go on WITHIN the first round. All I can recommend is setting up a dual BW. It makes it harder for the scum to hide. Since everybody believes I'm mafi I cannot possibly be BOTH of them. So line up your #2 suspect split the votes 50/50 and watch who goes where and when. Being village I can only know for sure that Sensfan, Rusty, Mills & Sotty have hit me pretty hard. So Day2 I would lynch from that list. I don't believe that you Johoolno are scum so thats it

What makes you think your play today has been so perfect that townies wouldn't be on your wagon?

Unvote

for now.

I didn't like how quick Johoohno was willing to offer up the hammer. I also think I need to read back though the thread seeing as a lot of stuff had popped up since I was last here. LC is looking really bad, but I'm not 100% ready to lynch.

[sekinj]

bump

[sekinj]

Day 1: Vote Count 9

(# of votes against) Voted Player - by Voter(s)

(0) ckool5000 - by none

(0) Johoohno - by none

(0) cpe - by none

(3) Lamont_Cranston - by Rustythepirate; muzzz; SensFan;

(0) Perpetuum - by none

(0) Rustythepirate - by none

(2) SensFan - by cpe; Lamont_Cranston

(0) Sotty7 - by none

(1) muzzz - by Perpetuum

Not Voting: ckool5000; Johoohno; Sotty7

With nine (9) citizens alive it takes

five (5) votes to lynch.

Day 1 Deadline: 5/09/09 12:00 PM CST

Announcement:
-Perpetuum has been prodded

Please PM me if I have missed anything.