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Mini 825 - Hip Hop Mafia (GAME OVER)

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:08 pm

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Still thuggin:

Fuzzyman |
Rick Ross
|
Gangsta Boss
| Survived


Pour some liquor for the homies:

ah2190s |
50 Cent
|
Gangsta Bulletproof
| Lynched Day 1

Excedrin |
Marky Mark
|
Lie-Detector
| Killed Night 1

synx |
Eminem
|
Gangsta Mogul
| Killed Day 2

The Fonz |
Lil' Wayne
|
Drug Dealer
| Killed Night 2

Cass |
Jay-Z
|
Hova
| Killed Night 2

jasonT1981 |
Will Smith
|
Rapper-slash-Actor
| Lynched Day 3

Konowa |
Dr.Dre
|
Doctor
| Killed Night 3

Percy |
Lil'Kim
|
Hostile witness
| Lynched Day 4
(DraketheFake)

sykedoc |
Vanilla Ice
|
Serial Killer
| Lynched Day 5

sironigous |
2pac
|
One-night bulletproof
| Lynched Day 6

StrangerCoug |
Snoop Dogg
|
Crip
| Killed Endgame



Endgame: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 00#1844200





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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:14 pm

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Rules

(1) -I leave it to the players to judge the content of fellow players posts. My only requirement is the inactivity rule below.

(2) -Play nice. I don't mind cursing/swearing, in fact I like colourful language, but personal attacks will not be tolerated.
(3) -Votes must be in bold. Any unbolded votes will not counted. Unvotes are not required (Unless you, of course, wish to remove your vote)

(4) -Lynches will require a simple majority. If a majority not reached by deadline, no-lynch will occur.
(5) -Days will end as soon as someone/no-lynch has a majority of the votes, or deadline is met.
-->(5.1) Deadlines are tentative. Day will not end before I close the thread.

(6) -Deadline extensions will be up to my discretion. No harm in asking for one, just as long as you don't expect one.
(7) -Nights will last for a maximum of 72 hours.

(8) -Prods will be made after 72 hours of inactivity. If prod is not picked up in thread within 48 hours, replacements will be made.
(9) -If you are dead, you are done, no more communicating. Only exception is a bah post after being NK'ed or in twilight. Overstep the confinements of a bah post, and I'll revive you just to modkill you.

(10) -Do not quote anything I've said outside the thread. (or things i haven't said for that matter)
(11) -No communication outside the thread unless your role allows it. Even then, you may only communicate at night. Unless your role allows daytalk. Wow, redundancy.

(12) -Any decision I make will be final. I am never wrong. If I happen to be wrong, feel free to let me know.
(13) -
Indigo
is my color. Don't use it. (may i suggest
violet
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(14) -I reserve the right to replace and/or modkill anyone who breaks these rules, as well as adding rules as I see fit


Townie win condition:
You win with the town.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:03 am

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The
BET Hip Hop Awards
has just ended, and everyone are enjoying themselves at the after-party.
Hennessy is overflowing, and there's a thick layer of weed smoke filling the room, everybody is having a great time.

Until suddenly a shriek is heard from the ladies room.
Everybody rush to see what the commotion is about.
On the bathroom floor they find the body of R.Kelly, riddled with gunshot wounds.

The security lock down the club immediatly, nobody leaves until the guilty party has been found and killed.

Even if everyone will be killed in the search

DAY 1 BEGINS!
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:22 am

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random vote: Synx


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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:24 am

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'Sup, homies.

Now listen up.

I policy lynch A LOT. I expect every player in the game to play in such a way as to make a town win more likely. I do not accept 'I always do it' as an excuse. Any action you take, I expect you to be able to justify why it raises the chances of a town win, or at the very least, DOES NOT harm it.

Actions which should never be taken by town players include, but are not limited to, claiming when not under pressure (unless holding an info role which can benefit the town by reveal of its informations) self-voting, lurking, and pulling the old 'I'll act like scum then call the person who attacks me scum' trick.

Generally, I've noticed that the side which has least VI-ness going on usually wins a mafia game. So to all town players, avoid doing anything stupid, and we've got a great chance.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:42 am

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Also, I'd appreciate it if people would answer the following questions:

Sykedoc: You've been a member for over a year. Why have I never heard of you?
StrangerCoug: You've modded me a couple of times recently. What kind of insight did that give you into my play?
DraketheFake: Of which of your completed games are you most proud, and why?
Fuzzyman: Why did people think you are an alt of TheStatusQuo?
Excedrin: You're brand new to the site. Do you have experience of playing elsewhere?
Lone Rogue: You're a Godfather. If the game has an SK, a one-shot vig, and a sane cop, would you rather be NK or investigation immune?
ah2190: What's your favourite role?
Purple Princess: "Female players are likely to be more cautious and less confrontational than men." Do you agree or disagree with this statement? Why?
Synx: Are you aware of Pie_is_good's newbie test? If so, what do you think of it?
jasonT1981: What do you understand the term 'rolefishing' to mean?
Archon: What place do you think humour has in the game of mafia?
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:56 am

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The Fonz wrote:Excedrin: You're brand new to the site. Do you have experience of playing elsewhere?
Yes, but not forums mafia.

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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:27 am

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The Fonz,

I consider the term role fishing to be someone trying to 'fish' for a role such as doc or cop... not out right asking for a claim but trying to lay subitle hints that could bring out the doc or cop or any other town alligned power role so they can find out who they are.

as in to' fish' for someones role in the 'pool' of the mafia players
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:49 am

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Excedrin wrote:
The Fonz wrote:Excedrin: You're brand new to the site. Do you have experience of playing elsewhere?
Yes, but not forums mafia.

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RL or irc?
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:52 am

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Listen up The Fonz, I don't take crap from anybody especially people that start asking questions during the jokevote phase. So instead of answer to you I'm going to ask you a few things: what do you have against the random lynch/jokevote phase? Who is your scum buddy? What are you doing in my thread?

I expect an answer IMMEDIATELY.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:02 am

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Unfunny troll is unfunny.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:06 am

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The Fonz wrote: Lone Rogue: You're a Godfather. If the game has an SK, a one-shot vig, and a sane cop, would you rather be NK or investigation immune?
Good question. Probably investigation immune, because it is about convincing the town I'm not the godfather. If I can do that, eventually, I'll likely not be targeted by the Vig and the SK, well, you gotta take your chances.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:29 am

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The Fonz wrote:Unfunny troll is unfunny.

The first question is serious (so is the 2nd question assuming you are scum)
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:30 am

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and to answer your question, I have no idea what that is.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:46 am

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The Fonz wrote:StrangerCoug: You've modded me a couple of times recently. What kind of insight did that give you into my play?
Oh, I already knew you were a good and resourceful player. I liked that gambit you pulled, too.
Synx wrote:Listen up The Fonz, I don't take crap from anybody especially people that start asking questions during the jokevote phase. So instead of answer to you I'm going to ask you a few things: what do you have against the random lynch/jokevote phase? Who is your scum buddy? What are you doing in my thread?

I expect an answer IMMEDIATELY.
Serious vote: Synx


I'm going to let The Fonz answer for himself, but being against random voting is not a scumtell. Not random voting may turn heads, but it is not a scumtell. Some form of discussion has to be sparked, and asking people questions is a good way to do that. Way to be anti-information early on, not to mention that you come off as insolent.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:52 am

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strangercoug wrote: I'm going to let The Fonz answer for himself, but being against random voting is not a scumtell. Not random voting may turn heads, but it is not a scumtell. Some form of discussion has to be sparked, and asking people questions is a good way to do that. Way to be anti-information early on, not to mention that you come off as insolent.
It's not a scumtell, but it's important to know why he wants to jump right into the questioning. The jokevote phase has some importance, and it piques my curiosity that he wants to completely bypass it.

Also, this is how I play, get used to it.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:55 am

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Lone Rogue wrote:
The Fonz wrote: Lone Rogue: You're a Godfather. If the game has an SK, a one-shot vig, and a sane cop, would you rather be NK or investigation immune?
Good question. Probably investigation immune, because it is about convincing the town I'm not the godfather. If I can do that, eventually, I'll likely not be targeted by the Vig and the SK, well, you gotta take your chances.
Uhm, this is retarded. What are you even talking about? How is this even a conceivable response to this question. BP is the only answer.
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:07 am

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Synx wrote:Also, this is how I play, get used to it.
The Fonz wrote:
I do not accept 'I always do it' as an excuse.
Any action you take, I expect you to be able to justify why it raises the chances of a town win, or at the very least, DOES NOT harm it.
Synx wrote:
It's not a scumtell, but it's important to know why he wants to jump right into the questioning. The jokevote phase has some importance, and it piques my curiosity that he wants to completely bypass it.
Please explain what this 'importance' is. Why does having a random stage benefit town? Does my asking questions prevent you from jokevoting, if that is your desire?
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:12 am

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The Fonz wrote:
Synx wrote: Also, this is how I play, get used to it.
The Fonz wrote: I do not accept 'I always do it' as an excuse.
Are you serious??? For reference:
The Fonz wrote: I policy lynch A LOT. I expect every player in the game to play in such a way as to make a town win more likely.
Okay? I don't get what you are trying to point out considering you said that you made the same statement.

Random phase helps the town because it's often a good time to breadcrumb and it can point out some connections between players.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:19 am

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I actually agree here with Synx about RVS, Fonz, what are the point to your questions?

Also, saying you policy lynch alot, then bitching you wont accept 'this is how I play' is a tad hypocritical is it not? as that is 'how you play'

RVS can help gain alot of information I feel.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:32 am

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Synx wrote:
strangercoug wrote: I'm going to let The Fonz answer for himself, but being against random voting is not a scumtell. Not random voting may turn heads, but it is not a scumtell. Some form of discussion has to be sparked, and asking people questions is a good way to do that. Way to be anti-information early on, not to mention that you come off as insolent.
It's not a scumtell, but it's important to know why he wants to jump right into the questioning. The jokevote phase has some importance, and it piques my curiosity that he wants to completely bypass it.
If you agree with me that it is not a scumtell, then why did you ask him for his scumbuddy? That implies you think he's scum for it since that's the only thing he's done.

To me, random voting is over the moment a serious vote is made. Meaning I put it to an end after only half a page. I do believe the information gained in the RVS is valuable, but to risk suffering the wrath of The Fonz here, waiting to do serious scumhunting after X amount of time or posts is
NOT
how I play. (While I'm on this, I disagree that saying that a player saying he policy lynches and not allowing "This is how I play" as an excuse is hypocritical as he clearly implies why he policy lynches.)
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:33 am

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Synx wrote:
The Fonz wrote:
Synx wrote: Also, this is how I play, get used to it.
The Fonz wrote: I do not accept 'I always do it' as an excuse.
Are you serious??? For reference:
The Fonz wrote: I policy lynch A LOT. I expect every player in the game to play in such a way as to make a town win more likely.
Okay? I don't get what you are trying to point out considering you said that you made the same statement.
And I can, if you wish, give you the game-theory explanation for why policy lynching is optimal for town. In short, that if the town are making scum-favouring moves, then it is easier for scum to make scum-favouring moves without standing out. This means that in towns who aren't willing to policy-lynch, more scum-favouring behaviour will happen overall, and hence obviously scum will be more likely to win.
Random phase helps the town because it's often a good time to breadcrumb and it can point out some connections between players.
Please elaborate on these 'connections.' (I would also note at this point that I disagree with breadcrumbing as a strategy, since scum are going to be just as much on the lookout for town players dropping role hints, if not more so, than the other protowners are).
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:40 am

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TheFonz wrote: And I can, if you wish, give you the game-theory explanation for why policy lynching is optimal for town. In short, that if the town are making scum-favouring moves, then it is easier for scum to make scum-favouring moves without standing out. This means that in towns who aren't willing to policy-lynch, more scum-favouring behaviour will happen overall, and hence obviously scum will be more likely to win.
This basically reads to me as: "It's ok if I use 'it's how I play' as an excuse but not okay if anyone else does"
TheFonz wrote: Please elaborate on these 'connections.'
I think it's self explanatory.

Please answer my question on what you have AGAINST the jokevoting phase?
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:50 am

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Synx wrote:
TheFonz wrote: And I can, if you wish, give you the game-theory explanation for why policy lynching is optimal for town. In short, that if the town are making scum-favouring moves, then it is easier for scum to make scum-favouring moves without standing out. This means that in towns who aren't willing to policy-lynch, more scum-favouring behaviour will happen overall, and hence obviously scum will be more likely to win.
This basically reads to me as: "It's ok if I use 'it's how I play' as an excuse but not okay if anyone else does"
Wrong answer. He's explaining why he does what he does—there are game theory explanations behind it (and I'd like him to enlighten us with it as I feel it may be useful) and he believes that, by making it his playstyle, it will make him more likely to win. I play differently from The Fonz—for example, I'd rather lynch a lurker as a last resort since I believe replacements to be a useful asset—but that doesn't mean that since his playstyle differs from mine, he's scum. In fact, I'd like to improve my town play since I've lost as town (and been mislynched most of those times) more often than I've won.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:51 am

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The Fonz wrote:RL or irc?
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The Fonz wrote:Please explain what this 'importance' is. Why does having a random stage benefit town? Does my asking questions prevent you from jokevoting, if that is your desire?
Do you view RVS as just
jokevoting
and therefore useless?

You mentioned lurking, claiming without being at L-1 or otherwise asked, selfvoting and OMGUS as things you policy lynch for. What are some of the other policy lynches you promote?

Do you think that these things are often things that bad (especially new) town players do as often as scum? If yes to previous question, do you find that it's beneficial to lynch bad town when you're reasonably sure that they are actually town or that the benefit outweighs the cost? Have you kept track of stats related to how often a policy lynch actually hits scum?

The threat of consistently applied policy lynches is useful to town, even if there are times to ignore the policy, since it may dissuade someone from doing anti-town things.
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