Mini 873 Plainview Game Over

[SpyreX]

Can I read it as "I am voting for the scummy town player lynch that is coming through - however, I would gladly bus (if the town is going to lynch him anyway) my scumbuddy"?

If you're pushin back the bottles sure you could read it that way.

Unless its also got the "Ohh, the voting mechanic changed and now I have a for reals chance to get GM lynched WITHOUT you chucklheads bemoaning the PR-gambit thus my vote switched" part.

[peanutman]

@Foilist-749, I explained the reason right after my vote, but here it is again

I don't want to do this now but I'd rather not hear the same thing from everyone of you so,
unvote, vote : foilist13
Once again, it's because I know we can always catch AGM later if he's lying.

If it was simply up to me, I would vote for neither of you.

[Papa Zito]

ORLY amendment change huh.

Unvote, Vote: GM

So I feel better about SpyreX now. I asked Benmage for that clarification, and this is one of the reasons why. Good deal.

If I'm forced between AGM And Foilist I'm going Foilist, but damn what a crappy choice to make. If we had more than a couple days I'd push for a Sociopath wagon because there's no way in hell he's just having that hard a time just catching up.

Actually, you know what, let's do this. Cruelty can wait. Hop aboard.

unvote: cruelty
vote: SocioPath

[Gammagooey]

Oh look, another useless vote with barely any actual opinions of Almaster and foil. As much as Socio needs to post, two days before deadline after 30 pages of discussion is not the time to pressure vote.

Phaerie and Papa have said they'd rather vote for foil than AGM, so I'm gonna be a sad panda and concede that AGM isn't getting the votes today.

Vote:foilist13

Assuming that I can count properly, that's L-1. Claim prease.

[Papa Zito]

Oh look, another useless vote with barely any actual opinions of Almaster and foil. As much as Socio needs to post, two days before deadline after 30 pages of discussion is not the time to pressure vote.

I've already given opinions on Almaster and Foil. They haven't changed. Read the game plz.

And you're defending the lurker? Interesting.

2 days is plenty of time if we build some steam. gogogo

[Gammagooey]

Seriously, think about the timeframe even if everyone just follows you without question.

Around 12 hours for the votes to change
12-24 hours for Socio to notice and post
12-18 hours of discussion of who to lynch.

Given that we still can't come to an easy consensus after THREE WEEKS, what makes you think it can happen in about a day.

[Gammagooey]

I've already given opinions on Almaster and Foil. They haven't changed. Read the game plz.

I can see a LITTLE on Almaster, but foil? this and you listing him a bunch in your page by page analysis is all I can find of you commenting on him:

Case 1: MordyS vs. foilist13 (100, 131) - hmmmmmm these are pretty good points, especially this early.

Case 10: Sanjay vs. Foilist13 (356) - This is actually quite good, but I'm not sure how this proves he's scum... could he be just embarrassed town?

Personally, I'd like to see your own thoughts instead of just your comments on the cases of others.

[Benmage]

Vote Count:

AlmasterGM (3) MordyS, foilist13, SpyreX
foilist13 (6) cruelty, archaebob, Sanjay, AlmasterGM, peanutman, Gammagooey
SocioPath (1) Papa Zito

Note Voting (2) SocioPath, PhaerieM

Deadline November 20 4pm ES

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[Papa Zito]

Personally, I'd like to see your own thoughts instead of just your comments on the cases of others.

I think he's been suffocated. I agree the vote nonsense is somewhat bad, but I don't think that's slam-dunk-the-guy-is-scum-lynch-nao kind of deal. Despite all the rhetoric in this thread I haven't seen a good case on the guy, and I've seen him trying to contribute despite being constantly attacked. So no, I don't want to vote for him.

I'd much rather lynch cruelty or Sociopath for his blatant lurking; wouldn't mind Sanjay either (get to him later). I've already stated why I don't want AGM lynched. Cruelty obviously isn't happening. Let's lynch the serial lurker instead.

Given that we still can't come to an easy consensus after THREE WEEKS, what makes you think it can happen in about a day.

Why not drop a vote and find out then.

[Sanjay]

Unvote

This is stupid.

[Sanjay]

I'd much rather lynch cruelty or Sociopath for his blatant lurking; wouldn't mind Sanjay either (get to him later).

I've already stated why I don't want AGM lynched

. Cruelty obviously isn't happening. Let's lynch the serial lurker instead.

When did this part happen?

[peanutman]

Sanjay, why did you unvote? I might have missed something, but could you explain it for me.

[Sanjay]

I'm not feeling the foilist13 lynch anymore.

[Sanjay]

There is a fairly good chance that foilist13 is flustered town and a decent chance that AlmasterGM is terrible at playing doc. If we can't find someone else by deadline they can get lynched fine, but we're all going to be a lot happier as a town if we are wrong about a lurker than if we are wrong about foilist13 or AlmasterGM.

[peanutman]

So, Sanjay, who do you suggest we lynch? Papa Zito brought up the fact that Sociopath hasn't really posted anything since he replaced in a week and a half ago. I would have to reread Muffin in iso before but, as I said, I don't think AGM of Foilist are scummiest. Therefore, I would be open to exploring a Muffin/Sociopath lynch. If PapaZito, you and I all vote for Sociopath, the three wagons are tied at 3 votes each.

I will reread Muffin in iso to determine who's the better "realistic" lynch IMO.(realistic = would garner enough town support (i.e. min. 4 votes) to be lynched).

unvote

@Sociopath, I suggest you start posting, even if you aren't done reading; it's been over a week.

[peanutman]

@Benmage, prod to PhaerieM

@PhaerieM, will re-read your case on Muffin this evening. However, do you plan on voting before the deadline? There might be support for your suspicion of Muffin given Sociopath's week-long lurking/reading, and your vote would no longer necessarily be for a "third party candidate".

[Sanjay]

Well, cruelty could be lynched with zero harm to the town at all. I'm rereading the thread to see if I like him as scum. His playing close to the chest to avoid directing the nightkill is certainly laughable, because I don't see how scum would be at all concerned about what cruelty thinks.

As for realistic lynches, he's certainly someone to consider. So are you.

[Benmage]

@Benmage, prod to PhaerieM

PhaerieM has been prodded.

[Papa Zito]

I'd much rather lynch cruelty or Sociopath for his blatant lurking; wouldn't mind Sanjay either (get to him later).

I've already stated why I don't want AGM lynched

. Cruelty obviously isn't happening. Let's lynch the serial lurker instead.

When did this part happen?

Did you miss the whole back-and-forth between me and SpyreX?

[Sanjay]

Which one was that? The one where you didn't state why you don't want AGM lynched? No, I didn't miss that one.

I saw you saying that foilist13 vs AlmasterGM is a crappy choice, but you'll pick foilist13 if you had to make it. After saying AlmasterGM was your number 2.

Is it because of the doc claim?

[Sanjay]

Besides, I thought I was your number 3? If you gave up on cruelty and you don't like AlmasterGM, what happened to me?

[PhaerieM]

Sorry you guys, I got a bit frustrated as you can tell from my last post, and kind of checked out for a few days. I shouldn't have done that, and especially so close to the deadline. I'm very happy to see that there is at least a tiny bit of momentum on my Muffin case, and therefore will vote him. As I stated before, I was/am in the same boat as Papa, I don't feel AGM or Foilist are the right lynch today, but would vote for Foilist if it comes down to those two. Now that it looks as if some of you are taking my muffin case seriously, I will happily vote for the person I truly want to be lynched.

Give me a bit to catch up on the last few days, and I'll see if I have anything more to add.

vote: Sociopath

[Papa Zito]

Is it because of the doc claim?

Yes, it's because of the doc claim. That was the entire crux of the argument; I'm not sure how you missed it. I'm not willing to lynch a claimed Doc on day 1. Just to make sure there's no misconceptions - Without a Doc claim, I'd happily be aboard the AGM wagon.

Besides, I thought I was your number 3? If you gave up on cruelty and you don't like AlmasterGM, what happened to me?

I had no issues with Muffin really, he gave me a townie vibe. But SocioPath's lurking at such a critical juncture feels deliberate. Since you're here and posting, I'd rather go after the lurker. I already said we'd get to you later.

Sanjay and Peanut, if you really want to make this happen then you kids need to vote SocioPath. I'll reiterate - if it comes down to deadline, AGM has the lead and Foilist is the only other viable candidate, I will switch.

@Gamma - You're starting to see support already. Hop aboard choo choo.

[MordyS]

Sociopath has posted more recently (Nov 17, 2009 6:05 pm) than AlmasterGM (Nov 16, 2009 5:37 pm), if we're talking about lurking close to the deadline.

[PhaerieM]

Sociopath has posted more recently (Nov 17, 2009 6:05 pm) than AlmasterGM (Nov 16, 2009 5:37 pm), if we're talking about lurking close to the deadline.

Sociopath has posted nothing by way of content at all since he replaced in. Unless I'm mistaken, his only posts have been saying how he's reading up. Not so with AGM. Although he apparently hasn't posted in a few days, he's posted plenty throughout the course of the game. That said, sociopath lurking is not the reason I'm voting for sociopath, it's due to Muffin's actions.