Mini 909: Nice'n'Fun Mafia (Game Over)

[Mindgamer]

Vote: Hitogoroshi

Since early bandwagons are full of win.

[The Tracker]

Vote: Mindgamer.

Bandwagoning for early mislynch, making him obvscum.

[Flareonage]

VOTE: The Tracker

For also liking Pokemon

[The Tracker]

FoS: Flareonage.

Obvious buddying attempt is obvious. XD But yes, I do like teh Pokemanz.

[Col.Cathart]

vote: The Tracker

How do you know, it will be a mislynch?

[Nachomamma8]

Tracker, Flare, and Col.

Why aren't you voting for the confirmed scum?

[Col.Cathart]

We have one?

In addition, Tracker seems to be convinced Hito lynch will be a mislynch actually, and I'm curious why he thinks that.

[Hoopla]

What goes in to everyone's decisions when they decide on their Day 1 lynch candidate?

[angelmouse]

We have one?

In addition, Tracker seems to be convinced Hito lynch will be a mislynch actually, and I'm curious why he thinks that.

surely it was a joke. We're only on page two, game barely started and with 12 players it's hardly a lynch situation.

Jumping the gun a bit and voting on it?? Strange play

fos, cot.cathartic

[hitogoroshi]

hey I'm here surprisingly early. also I am extremely tired, and I am deliberately refraining from capitalizing and using punctuation in this sentence to make my internet voice sound how my real voice sounds right now

What goes in to everyone's decisions when they decide on their Day 1 lynch candidate?

Unless there's a really strong scum tell that pops up d1, I'm generally up for lynching the most anti-town person (non-contributor, person who frequently side-tracks town, etc). This obviously doesn't correlate completely with who is scum but it helps to find scum on later days. Basically, the defense "x isn't helping the town, but I don't think it's scummy" doesn't fly with me D1 (and to be fair, doesn't fly with me in most situations, but especially not D1.)

also,

vote: quagmire

, because presumably when you die I will no longer have to look at your avatar.

[Col.Cathart]

surely it was a joke.

About mislynch? Looks like I have a poor sense of humor then, because I didn't spot it. Or he just slipped, he know something, we don't.

We're only on page two, game barely started and with 12 players it's hardly a lynch situation.

And how is it related in any way with the fact, he called wagon on Hito 'early

mislynch

'?

Jumping the gun a bit and voting on it?? Strange play

fos, cot.cathartic

a) It's called 'getting us out from RVS', and there's nothing strange with it

b) FoSing instead of voting at the point when you don't have any other suspect mentioned, and no vote is gonna kill instantly anyone? Now THAT'S a strange play.

c) Please refer to me as Col.Cathart or other more common abbreviations like CC, Col.C, Cathart, Colonel etc. instead of this abomination you just used

What goes in to everyone's decisions when they decide on their Day 1 lynch candidate?

Depends from game to game. Since we don't have any flips to work on with, usually that's either suspicious behavior (active lurking, over carefulness, sheeping) and possible scum-slips in player's posts.

[Cyberbob]

Normally I don't buy a whole lot into "slips", but it's early Day 1 and I like Cathart's reasoning here.

Unvote

,

Vote: The Tracker

; let's see where this takes us.

As for your question Hoopla: I usually try not to think of people as "lynch targets" or "not lynch targets" on Day 1 until a degree of time has been spent outside of the RVS. The most common tells in my experience that lead me towards one or the other for each person are things like overreactions, rolefishing and buddying. Gut also plays a large role sometimes.

[The Tracker]

Mislynch was the wrong word. I merely meant lynch. It was an RVS vote, nothing more. Calm down.

[Mindgamer]

First impressions are very important. Surely The Tracker would be careful not to make such a stupid mistake in his first post. It's a joke, pay attention to behaviour that is worth discussing.

[Hoopla]

Cathart, Cyberbob; what do you think about utility lynches on Day 1? For example, we give player X a 35% chance of being scum for whatever reasons, and we give player Y a 30% chance of being scum.

X is generally active, and has a known reputation of catching scum.
Y is occasionally lurky and has a poor ability to analyse players and the game state.

Is it right to lynch Y in this situation? What if the gap was wider than 5%? Or should we be lynching whoever we collectively deem as the scummiest?

[Cyberbob]

Surely The Tracker would be careful not to make such a stupid mistake in his first post. It's a joke, pay attention to behaviour that is worth discussing.

Thanks for this post, it may prove useful down the line.

[Cyberbob]

Cathart, Cyberbob; what do you think about utility lynches on Day 1? For example, we give player X a 35% chance of being scum for whatever reasons, and we give player Y a 30% chance of being scum.

X is generally active, and has a known reputation of catching scum.
Y is occasionally lurky and has a poor ability to analyse players and the game state.

Is it right to lynch Y in this situation? What if the gap was wider than 5%? Or should we be lynching whoever we collectively deem as the scummiest?

I'd lynch Y over X, I really find it hard to enjoy playing with people that are bad at the game - not only do they fail to recognise legitimate cases, but they're distracting and are often the most aggressively defensive of their playstyles (which is also a distraction).

So yeah, I agree with utility lynches.

[Hoopla]

RedCoyote; what is the most effective scumtell/towntell you've discovered in your time at mafiascum?

cruelty; is it okay to skim wall of text posts?

Nachomamma; do you know what the Saudi Gazette is?

[RedCoyote]

What goes in to everyone's decisions when they decide on their Day 1 lynch candidate?

I'm always looking for things that are off, but during the first day I am generally open to policy lynches and lynching players who are accepted as anti-town rather than necessarily scummy.

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surely it was a joke. We're only on page two, game barely started and with 12 players it's hardly a lynch situation.

Jumping the gun a bit and voting on it?? Strange play

fos, cot.cathartic

This seems... off. This seems borderline defensive of The Tracker rather than just a general disagreement.

Like, I would've thought nothing of this post if it was just the first two sentences, but the last part of the post sticks out to me. It's one thing for angel and the Colonel have completely different early game philosophies, but to speak for The Tracker like angel is doing here could point to treesaw defending or possibly buddying?

angel, if not for something he suspects, what else would you rather the Colonel vote on?

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Mislynch was the wrong word. I merely meant lynch. It was an RVS vote, nothing more. Calm down.

This sounds defensive, too. Maybe The Tracker is just beating his chest a little bit, but I don't know if he's in the position to do so. That said, forcefulness != scuminess.

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Surely The Tracker would be careful not to make such a stupid mistake in his first post. It's a joke, pay attention to behaviour that is worth discussing.

This is unabashedly defensive and definitely dismissal. What behavior is more worth discussing than this? Back up your claim.

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RedCoyote; what is the most effective scumtell/towntell you've discovered in your time at mafiascum?

If I can find them, I try to look for unlikely, illogical instances and circumstances. People voting someone out of the blue when they've had nothing to say about them, people on lynches when, after the fact, everyone else surrounding them on the lynch comes up town, double speak, etc.

Aggressiveness, rightfully or not, usually looks townie to me. As long as the player isn't being irrational or illogical when doing it like I mentioned above.

[Mindgamer]

Surely The Tracker would be careful not to make such a stupid mistake in his first post. It's a joke, pay attention to behaviour that is worth discussing.

Thanks for this post, it may prove useful down the line.

You're welcome.

Surely The Tracker would be careful not to make such a stupid mistake in his first post. It's a joke, pay attention to behaviour that is worth discussing.

This is unabashedly defensive and definitely dismissal. What behavior is more worth discussing than this? Back up your claim. [/quote]

Defensive? I'm simply stating that discussing a possible hidden message in a joke in RVS is a waste of effort. What else is more worth discussion? Well, about everything else I'd say. Please tell me why you think a joke, in particular one in RVS, can be a strong scumtell.

[The Tracker]

Calling it a joke or whatever is wrong. I made a mistake, that's all there is to it. I'm not going to hide from it. I used the wrong word, and that's it.

[hitogoroshi]

but to speak for The Tracker like angel is doing here could point to

treesaw defending

or possibly buddying?

Great typo or greatest typo?

Please tell me why you think a joke, in particular one in RVS, can be a strong scumtell.

Scumslips in the RVS do happen; things like that are why we have the RVS. That being said, I'm not too inclined to think of this as a scumslip. After all, a quicklynch would be mistaken this early in the game, so I suppose you could call it a 'mislynch' even without knowing that I'm going to flip town. I'm not going to suspect tracker of being scum because I think he KNOWS I'm going to flip town, just based off of that one comment.

However:

Calling it a joke or whatever is wrong.

Are you implying that you are serious in thinking mindgamer is 'obvscum'?

[The Tracker]

Okay, calling the word 'mislynch' a joke is wrong. Seriously? You'd have to be pretty foolish to think an RVS vote is anything but a joke. Or maybe you're scum trying to see if I crack under pressure to drive a nice and easy mislynch?

[hitogoroshi]

What? I was just asking for clarification because your 'not a joke' comment seemed to imply you had cast a non-random vote. Not every request for clarification is "pressure for your mislynch", and if you're going to interpret them as such this is going to be a long game.

[The Tracker]

*Shrugs* Fair enough, I suppose. Bandwagoning isn't a scumtell. The vote itself was a joke, the word usage was a mistake.