SWN II: The Curse of the Nekomata (Game over!)

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

ace5993 (1): RayFrost
Anon (1): Pomegranate
Datadanne (1): LlamaFluff
DocPotter (1): wolframnhart
kyle99 (1): Parama
Parama (1): Kairyuu
RayFrost (1): animorpherv1
wolframnhart (1): DocPotter
Not voting (17): ace5993, Anon, Bogre, Datadanne, DeathNote, DedicatedScribe, FishytheFish, kyle99, MafiaSSK, My Milked Eek, Nul, pman5595, SaintKerrigan, Sanhora, sykedoc, tubby216, xuie77

With

25

players alive, it takes

13

votes to lynch.

[RayFrost]

And here ive just become increasingly erratic with my play

lol, zachrulez called me erratic and eccentric

[sykedoc]

Vote: Kairyuu

<3

[Kairyuu]

vote: Parama

Policy lynching is, in and of itself, scummy.

FoS: RayFrost

Same reason.

Policy lynching/vigging is actually really townie

I agree about policy vigging, but personal experience tells me that policy lynches help scum more than town, so the suggestion of one is a scumtell to me.

A policy lynch gives exactly the same probability of hitting scum as a random lynch. In addition to that, it provides a perfect excuse for scum to join the wagon without attracting suspicion, and even acts as a sort of "free mislynch" if the target is town. Finally, even if the target of the policy lynch in question is scum, it is likely that the scumteam will be more than happy to cut that player from their ranks to avoid being incriminated while attempting to keep them afloat later on in the game.

I have supported a policy lynch exactly once since I started playing, and it worked near perfectly for me as scum. Mastin claimed death miller vig in Mean Mod Lovefest (Large theme modded by BM) and I was able to spend the next two game Days hiding behind pushing his policy lynch without drawing any real suspicion. So not only was I able to remove the threat of a vig based only on policy, I was able to do it without using up a scumkill or attracting suspicion.

I welcome a counterargument, but it's unlikely to sway me on this point.

@sykedoc: <3 you too.

[MafiaSSK]

Just a quick note:

WHO HERE HAS A POST RESTRICTION? Yes, this is important to my role.

Moi.
/confirmer

[LlamaFluff]

The reason you policy lynch someone is because if they remain in the game they will damage the town either by making the game a hostile environment, or playing so poorly that they decrease the town chance of winning directly. They are players that by having a town role actually decrease the towns chances of winning.

People like Mastin are people you policy lynch. You saw what went down in the death note game, he just went into his normal think, and town got rocked for it. Scum was able to control seconday suspects with ease and came out looking pro-town with a handful of mislynches all lined up. People like that just get lynched, and scum exploit it perfectly if they know what they are doing.

If you want to go into auxillary benifits, scum really cant PR hunt, policy vigs get to happen, and the town functions as a more cohesive unit. I actually only have a few people I support a policy lynch of, none of who are in this game and I think have all left the site, but at times, its the best move possible, if for nothing else then to catch scum in a situation where they arent quite sure what to do.

Also if the town policy lynched Mastin day one every game, their win percentage would go up. I can almost guarentee that one. Better players increase chances of town wins.

[LlamaFluff]

If Kai is scum, Parama is not
If SSK is scum, ani is not

[MafiaSSK]

If Kai is scum, Parama is not
If SSK is scum, ani is not

Pourquoi? Aussi, pourquoi ne pas voter l'un de nous si vous croyez cela?

[RayFrost]

French... I hate having MSSK in this game already. (curse you restriction!)

[MafiaSSK]

French... I hate having MSSK in this game already. (curse you restriction!)

Pourquoi?

[LlamaFluff]

Hell...

If breaking it does not get you modkilled, break it now. Its easier for everyone involved if you do. Especially those of us who have never taken anything in french before.

It *should* be obvious why I made those connections. You "having" a PR that makes you speak in french though lessens my connection, but I still think its there.

Also I dont think either of you are scum, I just realized if you guys are, the other are not.

Last chance though, are you lying about the PR? IIRC you have before, if you are here and its ever proven, we are lynching you.

[MafiaSSK]

Je vais faire le modérateur tués. Je suppose que les connexions sont obvious.Forgive moi à ce sujet. Non, je ne mens pas sur mon poste de restriction.

[LlamaFluff]

Can you at least quote people?

[MafiaSSK]

N'est-il pas évident?

[wolframnhart]

Oh god I am not going to understand any of this.

[MafiaSSK]

Wolf, l'utilisation d'un traducteur.

[RayFrost]

Here is a translator

[Parama]

I'm so glad I took French now. I understand most of what he's saying

[LlamaFluff]

Making 100% sure

You dont get out of doing stuff though. Quote the post, and quote one of these things when you are doing something

This post contridicts - this post
This post is reaching
This post is a fallacy
This post gives gut scum feeling
This vote is bad because
-Does not match past reasoning
-Is bad wagoning
-Uses bad logic

I will obviously come up with more later. This is a good way to start though, quote people to essentially speak in english as much as possible.

[DocPotter]

Kai and Parama I don't get.

[Kairyuu]

@LlamaFluff: Alternately, you can just lynch those people for other reasons than policy to force the people involved to actually take a stance on WHY they want the person lynched. Personally I consider that to be a much more effective way of getting rid of the people who would normally fall under the policy lynch category.

As for the Mastin situation, I really don't want to get into this argument. I could read Mastin extremely easily and found him to be a benefit to the games he was in as soon as he started playing seriously. People who blindly tried to policy lynch him irritated me, as did people who insulted him outright. The Death Note game should be evidence enough of that given the open hostility between Lamont and me when he wouldn't lay off.

@SSK: If you're not restricted from posting links, a link to the specific translating website you're using would be rather helpful.

[Pomegranate]

Je vais faire le modérateur tués.

Does this mean you will be modkilled for breaking it? Simple yes or no answer please. (I'm using google's translator.)

[Pomegranate]

vote: Parama

Policy lynching is, in and of itself, scummy.

FoS: RayFrost

Same reason.

Policy lynching/vigging is actually really townie

I agree about policy vigging, but personal experience tells me that policy lynches help scum more than town, so the suggestion of one is a scumtell to me.

A policy lynch gives exactly the same probability of hitting scum as a random lynch. In addition to that, it provides a perfect excuse for scum to join the wagon without attracting suspicion, and even acts as a sort of "free mislynch" if the target is town. Finally, even if the target of the policy lynch in question is scum, it is likely that the scumteam will be more than happy to cut that player from their ranks to avoid being incriminated while attempting to keep them afloat later on in the game.

I have supported a policy lynch exactly once since I started playing, and it worked near perfectly for me as scum. Mastin claimed death miller vig in Mean Mod Lovefest (Large theme modded by BM) and I was able to spend the next two game Days hiding behind pushing his policy lynch without drawing any real suspicion. So not only was I able to remove the threat of a vig based only on policy, I was able to do it without using up a scumkill or attracting suspicion.

I welcome a counterargument, but it's unlikely to sway me on this point.

@sykedoc: <3 you too.

I agree with this. Policy kills from a town vig are generally 100% town directed, while policy lynches are generally somewhat scum directed.

[MafiaSSK]

@SSK: If you're not restricted from posting links, a link to the specific translating website you're using would be rather helpful.

Je utiliser Google Translate.

Does this mean you will be modkilled for breaking it? Simple yes or no answer please. (I'm using google's translator.)

Oui.

@Llama: Je vais.

[MafiaSSK]

Sur la question de lynchage politique ou tue, je crois que c'est la ville pour le faire.