Pick Your Power II - Looks like the wine is gone (SCUM WIN)

[Porkens]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Fate

- 6 - Hoopla, Socrates, Ellibereth, Cobalt, Bouncy.Bouncy, Porkens - (L-6)

FeFiFoFum

- 1 - Fate - (L-11)

Jack

- 1 - Rayfrost - (L-11)

Socrates

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-11)

TonyMontana

- 1 - Jack - (L-11)

Players not voting: curiouskarmadog, Devotress, DocPotter, Dramonic, Faraday, Farside, FeFiFoFum, Pomegranate, RedCoyote, The1fifi, TonyMontana, wolframnhart

unvote; Vote: Fate

Not letting my FOS off the hook. Whatshername hot avatar has redeemed herself.

[Jack]

bonjour! Okay I didn't get to play in the first random number game, but it sounds from what I hear that the highest probable numbers for mafia are the single x values, I find it shocking and still dont know how I got the draft pick i did.

fos: Socrates for picking first

unvote:tony montana, vote:FeFiFoFum

Socrates didn't use a single X value. It sounds like you just picked up random bits from the thread without quite understanding them/thinking them through. Why do you think it's suspicious that Socrates picked first?

[Jack]

Or maybe I'm confused. Hoopla talks about Singular X values (ones that only got picked once). That's probably what FeFi means by single x, I had it as single digit.

[Fate]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Hoopla

- 1 - Porkens - (L-11)

Jack

- 1 - Cobalt - (L-11)

Socrates

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-11)

TonyMontana

- 1 - Jack - (L-11)

Players not voting: Bouncy.Bouncy, curiouskarmadog, Devotress, DocPotter, Dramonic, Ellibereth, Faraday, Farside, Fate, FeFiFoFum, Hoopla, Pomegranate, Rayfrost, RedCoyote, Socrates, The1fifi, TonyMontana, wolframnhart

Do we have any reason to believe scum had the possibility to actually communicate legally before sending their draft/role?

The Draft:[/b]

Once the order is done, you will then straight down the list attempt to pick a power role.

If someone above you on the list has picked that role you will be vanilla.

Note: The mafia will be able to talk before the draft begins for a period of approximately 24 hours.

Although, I'd normally be skeptical about someone making statements like that (a similar one is, 'oh I didn't know scum could daytalk' ), this seems genuine.

Apparently I completely missed this post in which Hoopla pointed out the rule that I said I missed several posts later. Teach me to not read thoroughly before posting...

Anyway, this is a failwagon. Half of you aren't even saying "GO WAGON GO!" or "Same reasons as X, die Fate." etc.

Unvote

Vote: FeiFiFoFum/b] For speculating/voting about number picking right after Jack pointed out how counterproductive it is...

FOS: Hoopla

For doing the same thing.

[RedCoyote]

Why are guys asking me questions, instead of the other 21 people?

Why are you being so defensive?

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I don't get the idea that someone like TM is more likely to be scum because he chose (1,1). If anything, wouldn't players who "covered" more bases by voting different numbers be more likely to be scum? I don't see how it changes anything, and I honestly would've picked the same numbers regardless of my alignment.

Also, the mafia could talk about their draft choices, but not their number choices, correct?

vote: bouncy.bouncy

[Fate]

@RC:

The Draft:

Once the order is done, you will then straight down the list attempt to pick a power role. If someone above you on the list has picked that role you will be vanilla.

Note: The mafia will be able to talk before the draft begins for a period of approximately 24 hours.

The roles:


fos dramonic and socrates for having this fake argument.

Since the "Note" containing the rule comes after the paragraph "Once the order is done" we might be able to infer that the mafia were only allowed to discuss role choices, not number choice. It isn't really clear,

BUT, it doesn't really matter. Number speculation is a waste of time. All that follows is WIFOM (Maybe scum had a few players all pick the same numbers as a perfect defense? Maybe they tried to spread things out to get more power?).

I'm willing to let it slide early game, but if people seriously start using this attack/defense later I'll policy vote their asses.

[TonyMontana]

vote: Dramonic

for not only picking my numbers, but beating me in the random draw as well

[Faraday]

Why are guys asking me questions, instead of the other 21 people?

I like your avtar. It turns me on.

Now answer my question

.

No. Now what?

Well I vote you like this:

Vote Jack

This. I must have missed a rule... IIRC, he said we would all get a PM with our alignment, and then have to send back a reply with the picks.

Does alignment include list of team members? Hmmm... Any scum want to claim and tell us?

Vote FeFiFoFum

For doing the RVS wrong, and voting Socrates (srsly guys, if he's not dead tommorow he's either BP or scum).

First 2 paragraphs are just there and to me look like an attempt to look town. I'm having a hard time explaining why but it just feels off. Stuff like 'Any scum want to claim and tell us' is something I think scum are more likely to say.

The thing with Socrates is just horrible. Trying to cast doubt on the higher draft picks for no reason is stupid this early. And it's funny considering he's next. So I guess if you don't die soon Fate we should lynch you too huh?

Owait let's do that anyway

Unvote Vote Fate

better vote since Jack's just being a

jack

ass (oh lawdy).

Why are guys asking me questions, instead of the other 21 people?

Why are you being so defensive?

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I don't get the idea that someone like TM is more likely to be scum because he chose (1,1). If anything, wouldn't players who "covered" more bases by voting different numbers be more likely to be scum? I don't see how it changes anything, and I honestly would've picked the same numbers regardless of my alignment.

Also, the mafia could talk about their draft choices, but not their number choices, correct?

vote: bouncy.bouncy

Why BOUNCY over Fate? Fate's got a cool wagon, needs more people to help out! do your part.

I do agree (wth fate and probs a few more) that number speculation seems useless though.

[StrangerCoug]

Why are guys asking me questions, instead of the other 21 people?

I like your avtar. It turns me on.

Now answer my question

.

No. Now what?

Unvote: Socrates
Vote: Jack

for dodging questions.

[wolframnhart]

vote jack

Just because you unvoted TM doesn't mean I am going to let you ignore one simple little question. You then vote FFFF while not mentioning anything about the Fate wagon and on your next post you admit you could possibly be confused about the numbers thing and don't unvote, don't see how a vote can be counted as anything if you don't even understand it.

[Devotress]

My opinion on the numbers debate: There is nothing to be gained in terms of scum hunting from the draft order, even if the scum had been able to talk before submiting numbers (which it doesn't sound like they were able to,to me) it's just a huge wifom trap.

Vote fate

ISO 3 and 4 are so scum saying "look how calm I am about this wagon forming on me, I can't be scum"

[curiouskarmadog]

well i didnt understand the process of the draft..obviously so, since I was at the last of the draft...

so many wagons already. am I surprised that the wagons are on people close to the top of the draft?...no, those are probably the better roles that scum want eliminated. at any rate..

vote wolf

, cause I got a day 1 feeling.

here is an interest tid bit of information I asked the mod while during the draft process (maybe it was in the rules, but I missed it)...mafia could talk all during that drafting process...so if they are smart, they have even more information than usual.

[curiouskarmadog]

also, I am confused (

mod feel free to jump in with an answer

)

you said in 25 (of the sign up).

Also, if you're up on that list and you haven't got an alignment from me (I think everyone thus far has but) please send me a PM.

I didnt even /in until 33

soooo, how did that work? you assigned alignments before everyone inned?

[Porkens]

I'm just guessing here but I think Spy usually has the alignments assigned to slots before sign ups even happen(?)

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm just guessing here but I think Spy usually has the alignments assigned to slots before sign ups even happen(?)

I guess that makes sense. I was confused why people were getting alignments when I hadnt even signed up yet.

[SpyreX]

Yes, alignments were done by slot.

Just a friendly reminder:

You can send in conditional actions such as "If SpyreX flips scum, investigate Vi. Else, shoot myself"

[The1fifi]

@Ellibereth : Your posts :

1 - Hay : Vote Fefi

2 - Umm, i agree with doc and hoopla.

Unvote. Vote Fate


...

How came everyone ignored this!? lets see..

1 - Not coming up with anything of its own, therefore not contributing to town!

2- Vote with no reason

3- Unvote his vote with no reason to hop on the wagon. I won't vote you, because that might be just to incredibly scummy for you to even be scum, cause no scum would play that way i think, no scum would be that careless.

@Fate : How come is everything going accord to plan? How can someone's plan be : Getting Lynched? Well, i see only one role that benefits from being lynched, and that is vengeful. Lets take a look..

Townie Vengeful :

-Has no point in wanting to be lynched so early on, cause its more than like ly he would revenge kill a townie.

-Has scum : A 100% chance of removing a town aligned player...

Vote Fate

and 4 big Fos at Ellibereth

[The1fifi]

*MAJOR TYPO SORRY


Townie Vengeful :

-Has no point in wanting to be lynched so early on, cause its more than like ly he would revenge kill a townie.

Scum Vengeful:

- A 100% chance of removing a town aligned player...

[farside22]

Yes, alignments were done by slot.

Just a friendly reminder:

You can send in conditional actions such as "If SpyreX flips scum, investigate Vi. Else, shoot myself"

I didn't get one either and I didn't understand this answer

Did players know their alignment before we picked our numbers?

[SpyreX]

If you /in I will PM you town or scum. AT THAT POINT if you may choose to give me draft numbers. Or, you can wait until they must be in.

[Jack]

Unvote: Socrates
Vote: Jack

for dodging questions.

StrangerCoug, you should know better...

My opinion on the numbers debate: There is nothing to be gained in terms of scum hunting from the draft order, even if the scum had been able to talk before submiting numbers (which it doesn't sound like they were able to,to me) it's just a huge wifom trap.

Yes, this is somewhat my position. It could possibly be useful at some point, but it's a terrible starting place.

[farside22]

Thank. Now I can read this game with more understanding.

[farside22]

okay so the theory is that since scum could talk to each other before they picked their numbers they knew what numbers to avoid so they could be higher on the list or at least not pick the same number as a scum buddy.
I looked at the list and there are 9 groups
The top 3 people that didn't pick the same number and the bottom 6 that had the same first number.
The question is would scum use this as WIFOM on the town?
I can't imagine all of them doing this it would mean they would be lower on the list.
...........let me read what people said and I will expand more on this.

[RedCoyote]

Why BOUNCY over Fate?

To be honest, I didn't really pay much attention to the scum stuff either. Since I'm not scum, I didn't read it.

Anyways, it seemed like bouncy tried to sneak a piggyback vote in there.

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okay so the theory is that since scum could talk to each other before they picked their numbers they knew what numbers to avoid so they could be higher on the list or at least not pick the same number as a scum buddy.

Right, so, I mean, this is still a stretch at best. Assuming every scum player was talked in QT before they chose their numbers (which I dont), all they know is not to pick numbers already chosen. This is just very convoluted for a scumtell, you just can't point to player A and say "looks like they choose numbers with scum help" and then player B and say "looks like they choose numbers with no help".

[curiouskarmadog]

yay farside is in this game.. i think i know where she is going with this and I like..

also, I hate the term "to be honest'...have you not been honest yet red?