Open 208 - Fire & Ice Mafia >Over!<

[pwnman]

Yeah, never consider the fact that I thought it was a scum slip up too.

[SaintKerrigan]

Yeah, never consider the fact that I thought it was a scum slip up too.

You argued that your argument is the same as mine, which is impossible since my argument was that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia specifically while you stated he could be either Fire or Ice Mafia. Thus, it sure looks like you were just piggybacking on my vote, and then tried to use my argument to explain why you thought Mindgamer was mafia. That feels scummy.

[Crazy]

Unvote
Vote: pwnman

Yeah, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about (and just piggybacking off of SK) if you agree that what Mindgamer said was a scumslip and then say you think he's either Fire Mafia or Ice Mafia.

[Deer]

Well this wagon happened pretty fast. Crazy, you call out pwnman for piggybacking on SK'sargument when you just did the same thing with that vote.

[Crazy]

It's a good wagon; pwnman is probably scum. If you dislike the wagon, please say what's wrong with it.

I would have voted pwnman even had other people not voted him first; if you see, it was pwman's answer to my question that prompted the wagon on him. Also, there's nothing inherently wrong with agreeing with another player's opinion. The issue is that pwnman showed he had no idea WHY it would be a scumslip (showing he doesn't even understand the argument he's agreeing with) when he said he thought Mindgamer was either Fire or Ice Mafia.

[pwnman]

It's a bad wagon I'm town. Thank you ladies and gentlemen of the jury

[SaintKerrigan]

It's a bad wagon I'm town. Thank you ladies and gentlemen of the jury

This does not equal an adequate defense.

[ICEninja]

This does not equal an adequate defense.

Perhaps not, but the vote against him is based off a vote placed in the RVS, or more specifically, an explanation of said vote.

Now at the same time, I don't actually get the feeling that pwnman's vote was random, nor do I feel that he explained his vote very well. I really don't like his style of 1 liners all over the place, as it seems like he's contributing but his posts don't actually say anything.

There is absolutely potential for there to be scum here. I'm not going to join the bandwagon at this time, however, as I would prefer pwnman to actually lay out his thought process on why he felt that first post made Mindgamer look scummy, and why he felt it was worth a vote.

If he is unable to do this, then yes he looks very scummy indeed and I may be placing my vote as well.

As a clarification, the fact that Kerrigan just recently understood Mindgamer's little joke (I was hoping my response to the vote would have prevented this but apprently not) is why I dislike people intentionally saying stupidly obvious wrong things, because there's always potential for confusion.

As a further clarification, the way people were using it, i thought a VI was a role, and looked extensively through the role database without success. I finally found the article and realize that it is just a bad townie that gets himself lynched.

[DarkLightA]

I am from NY.

*Epic facepalm at myself for not looking properly at your avatar*

Well, the date next to my name says August 2009 so I'll go with that.

*Epic facepalm at myself for not looking properly at your info*

DarkLight, how do you feel that gaining someone's preferences on roles or other games they play starts discussion? Doesn't it seem too much like rolefishing, as the responses probably aren't going to merit a counter response?

Well, I'd say that any questions trigger conversation, and that it's a nice addition to isos anyway.


----- @ the pwnman issue -------

Okay, this wagon is total BS.

Look:

Pwn's vote is now hiding in all these posts and nobody took the opportunity to ask for his reason. Pwn, can you state it?

My reasons was for Mindgamer's first post.

Vote ICE

Obvouisly Fire Mafia

I think that he is either Ice Mafia or Fire Mafia. So yeah

Sure, not well explained, but not worth a BW!

Pwn says it's because of mindgamer's post which seems random. So my thoughts are that it's just a misinterpretation of a random vote. It's normal for newer players.

Vote: XScorpion

for starting off this crap.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ DarklightA: Pwnman piggybacked off of my reason for voting Mindgamer, which concluded that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia, specifically. Despite using my argument, Pwnman claimed that he thought Mindgamer was either Ice

or

Fire Mafia, which indicates that he was using my argument as an excuse to vote Mindgamer.

[DarkLightA]

Still, I think this looks un-scummish, for both of you... Looks like just innocent stuff, only based on weak theories.

[SaintKerrigan]

Still, I think this looks un-scummish, for both of you... Looks like just innocent stuff, only based on weak theories.

I disagree with you on that one...not only has Pwnman done the things that earned him ire, but under pressure he chose to respond by simply claiming town. I don't see that behavior coming from a townsperson.

[Crazy]

@DarkLight - Put simply, the wagon is because pwnman followed on SaintKerrigan's case without even understanding the logic himself. That is VERY scummy. That's a whole lot more scummy than a "misinterpretation of a random vote."

[Deer]

well, I don't know if pwnman is scum or not, but I'm willing to bet a good amount of money there's an opportunistic scum on his wagon.

[SaintKerrigan]

well, I don't know if pwnman is scum or not, but I'm willing to bet a good amount of money there's an opportunistic scum on his wagon.

How do you figure?

[Crazy]

well, I don't know if pwnman is scum or not, but I'm willing to bet a good amount of money there's an opportunistic scum on his wagon.

It's quite possible, but scum in multi-faction games are usually looking for a little more than an easy mislynch; they usually want to lynch scum from the other faction. Probably not both of the other scum-team, but one of them, at least.

[Scott Brosius]

well, I don't know if pwnman is scum or not, but I'm willing to bet a good amount of money there's an opportunistic scum on his wagon.

This is an empty statement. Any wagon is probably going to have scum on it especially in a 2 scum group game.

[Nikanor]

Vote Count 1.3

pwnman (4)

- XScorpion, Scott Brosius, SaintKerrigan, Crazy

ICEninja (2)

- Mindgamer, Sanhora

XScorpion (2)

- pwnman, DarkLightA

Sanhora (1)

- Deer

Not Voting (3)

- ICEninja, fallen angel, RayFrost

With twelve players alive, seven votes are required to lynch.

Deadline falls on Thursday March 18 at 16:50 UTC.

RayFrost has requested replacement.

fallen angel has been prodded.

[Nikanor]

Attention passengers. There is an unanticipated spacial anomaly taking place on deck two.

You all look at the sign behind you. On it, in big, bold letters, are the words 'DECK TWO'. When you look back, RayFrost is gone, and in his place is someone you seem to recognize.

"Wait a minute, isn't he that Daniel guy who died?"
"No, that's impossible. Let's just get back to finding the killers."
"But Ray-"
"KILLERS."

--------------------

DTMaster replaces RayFrost. Thank you DTM!

Explanation of inside joke: Daniel is DTMaster's real name.

[ICEninja]

Welcome DT. What do you think about the first 3 pages so far?

Specifically, what do you think about pwnman and the wagon that has built on him?

[DTMaster]

@Ice

@Timezone discussion
You sir fail at discussion stimulation. It's like asking trivia questions: You are contributing, but not contributing anything of substance which rubs me the wrong way.

It reminds me of Pome and her role as Ice scum in a Fire/Ice game, where she focused on trivia questions to generate discussion, rather then scum hunt.

@Xscorpion//Scott
So pwnman's argument sucks, but not Saint Kerrigan's RVS reasoning that was used in agreement to it.

Interesting, why is Saint Kerrigan's post more valid then pwnmans? Why is pwnman's wagon vote scummy?

@Mindgamer
I had the pleasure to mod pwnman. He is very anti-town newbie, but gut instinct says I need more time to get a better read. You should also look at join dates.

Pwnman
Joined: 30 Jan 2010

@SK/Crazy

Wait what?

XScorpion: How long have you been here for?

Well, the date next to my name says August 2009 so I'll go with that.
pwnman's argument sucks.

unvote
Vote:pwnman

Well, the date next to my name says August 2009 so I'll go with that.
pwnman's argument sucks.
unvote
Vote:pwnman

My arguement aswell as SK's is this

Pwn's vote is now hiding in all these posts and nobody took the opportunity to ask for his reason. Pwn, can you state it?

My reasons was for Mindgamer's first post.

Vote ICE

Obvouisly Fire Mafia

You just saying my arguement "sucks" makes an even worse arguement against me.

unvote

vote XScorpion

for the OMGUS vote

And you piggybacking off someone's argument, who barely explained it is not good. You are either being VI or scum with that and blatant OMGUS

ICE- With the explanation, I am a little less concerned about it, but will keep an eye on the activity level for him.

Unvote
Vote: pwnman

Yeah, never consider the fact that I thought it was a scum slip up too.

You argued that your argument is the same as mine, which is impossible since my argument was that Mindgamer was Ice Mafia specifically while you stated he could be either Fire or Ice Mafia. Thus, it sure looks like you were just piggybacking on my vote, and then tried to use my argument to explain why you thought Mindgamer was mafia. That feels scummy.

Unvote
Vote: pwnman

Yeah, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about (and just piggybacking off of SK) if you agree that what Mindgamer said was a scumslip and then say you think he's either Fire Mafia or Ice Mafia.

[DTMaster]

SK and Crazy are extremely scummy now, because what they essentially do is parrot pwnman using Scott's post. Look at it, it's copy and paste.

If you four are essentially using this piggy back argument against pwnman, what's so diffrent for SK/Crazy.

I also really "like how crazy" questions pwnman on his post then post this:

Yeah, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about (and just piggybacking off of SK) if you agree that what Mindgamer said was a scumslip and then say you think he's either Fire Mafia or Ice Mafia.

The fact that crazy says you

must specificity scum factions

is retardly naive and dumb. As town, you don't specify likely scum factions untill you have scum flips. You do however, specifiy scum links between people as potential partners.

Also you attack people based on how scummy X person is. I might as well apply the same thing to you crazy, when pwnman piggybacked, you must specify factions with that. That's silly.

You specify scum players.

Vote: Crazy

with

FoS: SarahKerrigan

using an argument that they themselves are guilty of.

[DTMaster]

@DarkLight - Put simply, the wagon is because pwnman followed on SaintKerrigan's case without even understanding the logic himself. That is VERY scummy. That's a whole lot more scummy than a "misinterpretation of a random vote."

Whoa there: 3 pages in and SK already outlined a logical case on someone? The hell?

[DTMaster]

well, I don't know if pwnman is scum or not, but I'm willing to bet a good amount of money there's an opportunistic scum on his wagon.

It's quite possible, but scum in multi-faction games are usually looking for a little more than an easy mislynch; they usually want to lynch scum from the other faction. Probably not both of the other scum-team, but one of them, at least.

Actually, in this setup, this above statement is extremely important^^

[DTMaster]

Also for a tldr version

Scorpion: Pwnman is bad
Scott: Pwnman piggybacked SK in the RVS with 7 to lynch
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SK: I agree pwnman piggybacked me.
Crazy: I agree pwnman piggybacked SK.


The top two above the line are more townish because they started the argument. The bottom two are the hypocrites.