Newbie 942 -- Vengeance, NV (Game Over)

[RedCoyote]

March 12th, 1868

It was a new town. They'd all settled there after a long, rough journey west. Some came from the South, some from the big cities, and others from overseas. One joker had the idea to name the town Vengeance after what they'd all been through. You see, the journey was a tough one. There wasn't enough food, and there wasn't enough water. The people made due as best they could, but they'd seen better days. They made their way over mountains, down valleys. They went through some rough railway towns and past some wild Indian tribes. It begins to take a toll on you though; it would on any settler. Their original band of 60 wept when they hit 58, were distressed when they shrunk to 51, were surprised when the number was 45, shrugged when the number hit 32, and got annoyed when there were still 24. When they finally found a spot somewhere in Northern Nevada, the group had been reduced to just 9. That's when they stopped, and someone had the bright idea that maybe, just maybe, there was something funny going on. What of the other 51 settlers? How many died? How many were killed?

Well, this town ain't called Vengeance for nothing.

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Player List

• LynchMePls
  Manno92
  
  Strigoides
  robi120
  
  Thief
  Betagold
  palmertrou
  
  skeith931
  Me=Weird**
  Hades
  
  xvart**
  Cliquey**
  julienvonwolfe*
  vollkan*

Dead Players

Click here for the Final Results.

ICs and SEs

• * = Inexperience Challenged (IC)
  ** = Semi-Experienced (SE)
  
  The ICs are here to help you learn to play the game. Their play is governed by the wiki article Being a good IC. Don't be afraid to ask your ICs and SEs questions about mafia, the website, or the community.

Important Links

• Day 1 Start
  Thief replaces Betagold
  Me=Weird replaces Hades
  End of Day 1
  Day 2 Start
  Strigoides replaces robi120
  LynchMePls replaces Manno92
  End of Day 2
  Day 3 Start
  End of Day 3
  Day 4 Start
  End of Day 4

Current Deadline: N/A
Game Status: Game Over

[RedCoyote]

[Post-game edit: This post suffered an error during the transition to the new forum.]

Rules were

Game Rules

(taken and modified from Vel-Rahn Koon)

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General Gameplay and Etiquette:

2. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.
   
3. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it.
   
4. If you have a role with a Night action your choices are due to me by the posted deadline. If I do not receive your choice via PM by the posted deadline you will forfeit your actions.
   
5. Roles with Night actions will not be able to submit an action on Night 0 (i.e. during the confirmation stage).
   
6. Any player with a Night action may instead submit a “No Actionâ€

[RedCoyote]

The F11 setup is the current game format used in Newbie games. To prevent the development of game-breaking strategies, these Newbie Games are Semi-Open, wherein the actual game setup is randomly chosen from one of four possible setups as detailed below:

• 1 Mafia Goon
  ,
  1 Mafia Roleblocker
  ,
  1 Sane Cop
  ,
  1 Sane Doctor
  ,
  5 Townies
  
  
• 1 Mafia Goon
  ,
  1 Mafia Roleblocker
  ,
  7 Townies
  
  
• 2 Mafia Goons
  ,
  1 Sane Cop
  ,
  6 Townies
  
  
• 2 Mafia Goons
  ,
  1 Sane Doctor
  ,
  6 Townies

If either of the first two setups are in play, and the situation occurs where the Goon is lynched first, the Roleblocker will still be able to submit both night kills and roleblocks (roleblocking is a function of the Roleblocker; night kills are a function of the scum team as a whole).

These are the Role PMs that have potentially been sent to the players:

Mafia-Aligned players

Mafia

name

(a Mafia Goon) and

name

(who is also a Mafia Goon) are part of the local Mafia crime family. Since your plot to quietly overtake the town has failed, you will attempt take it by force by eliminating the others until you outnumber the populace.

• During the day, try to blend in with the normal Townies, and attempt to get someone lynched.
  
• During the NIGHT cycle ONLY, you may talk with your fellow Mafia (via this QuickTopic) and choose another player in the town to kill that night. One of you must send me a PM with your choice of who to kill. Submitting your kill to the QuickTopic
  will not count
  ! You should copy your partner on the PM so they know the kill was submitted.
  
• You may communicate privately via QuickTopic with your fellow Mafia up until the game thread is opened (this is called Night 0). Once the game begins, all outside communication must cease until the night cycle.
  
• You win when the number of Mafia equals or exceeds the number of remaining Town players, whether you survive to the end or not.

Mafia

name

(a Mafia Roleblocker) and

name

(a Mafia Goon) are part of the local Mafia crime family. Since your plot to quietly overtake the town has failed, you will attempt take it by force by eliminating the others until you outnumber the populace.

• During the day, try to blend in with the normal Townies, and attempt to get someone lynched.
  
• During the NIGHT cycle ONLY, you may talk with your fellow Mafia (via this QuickTopic) and choose another player in the town to kill that night. One of you must send me a PM with your choice of who to kill. Submitting your kill to the QuickTopic
  will not count
  ! You should copy your partner on the PM so they know the kill was submitted.
  
• The Mafia Roleblocker has the ability to distract any player throughout the night, effectively negating their night ability, if they have one.
  
• The Mafia should send the moderator a PM with your choice of player that you want to block (usually along with the kill). If they have a Night action, it will have no effect. You will not be informed as to whether the roleblock worked or not.
  
• The Mafia may communicate privately via QuickTopic up until the game thread is opened (this is called Night 0). Once the game begins, all outside communication must cease until the night cycle.
  
• You win when the number of Mafia equals or exceeds the number of remaining Town players, whether you survive to the end or not.

Town-Aligned players

Townie:

You are a normal townsperson, trying to make a living and survive this insanity.

• You have no abilities at Night other than getting a good night's rest.
  
• Although you do not have any special abilities, your voice and vote are powerful weapons in their own right. Use them to your best advantage!
  
• At no time may you privately communicate with any other player.
  
• You win when all the Mafia players are gone, whether you survive to the end or not.

Cop:

You are the local law enforcement, and can tell the good guys from the bad.

• Each NIGHT, you may send the Moderator a PM with your choice of player that you want to investigate.
  
• The Moderator will inform you as to that person’s guilt or innocence.
  
• At no time may you privately communicate with any other player.
  
• In a Newbie game, you will always get a correct result (no sanity issues).
  
• You win when all the Mafia players are gone, whether you survive to the end or not.

Doctor:

You are the local physician, and can protect people from harm.

• Each NIGHT, you may send the Moderator a PM with your choice of player that you want to protect.
  
• If someone attempts to kill that player during the Night, they will be spared.
  
• You may not protect yourself.
  
• At no time may you privately communicate with any other player.
  
• In a Newbie game, your protection target will always live through the night (no quacks).
  
• You win when all the Mafia players are gone, whether you survive to the end or not.

[RedCoyote]

Pregame Status

Role PMs are now going out, the game will begin in 48 hours or when I have all confirmations, whichever comes first. The deadline will be set 3 weeks from when the game starts.

palmertrou is being replaced with Betagold for not picking up his role PM. The game will officially begin, and the deadline for Day 1 is May 6th, 2010 at 3:30 PM (CST)

Vote Count History

Not Voting

(Manno92 - robi120 - Betagold - skeith931 - Hades - xvart - Cliquey - julienvonwolfe - vollkan)

Not Voting

(Manno92 - robi120 - Betagold - skeith931 -

Hades

-

xvart

- Cliquey - julienvonwolfe -

vollkan

)

Cliquey

(vollkan)

Hades

(xvart)

xvart

(Hades)

Hades

(

xvart

- Cliquey - Manno92 - skeith931)

Cliquey

(vollkan - Hades)

Manno92

(xvart)

xvart

(

Hades

)

Not Voting

(

Manno92

- robi120 - Betagold -

skeith931

-

Cliquey

- julienvonwolfe)

Not Voting

(

robi120

- Betagold - julienvonwolfe - skeith931 - robi120)

Hades

(Cliquey - Manno92 -

skeith931

-

robi120

)

Cliquey

(vollkan - Hades)

Manno92

(xvart)

Not Voting

(Betagold - julienvonwolfe - skeith931 - robi120)

Hades

(Cliquey - Manno92)

Cliquey

(vollkan - Hades)

Manno92

(xvart)

Cliquey

(vollkan - Hades - robi120)

Hades

(Cliquey - Manno92)

Manno92

(xvart)

Not Voting

(Betagold - julienvonwolfe - skeith931 -

robi120

)

Cliquey

(vollkan - Hades - robi120)

Hades

(Cliquey - Manno92)

Manno92

(xvart)

skeith931

(julienvonwolfe)

Not Voting

(Betagold -

julienvonwolfe

- skeith931

Hades

(Cliquey - Manno92 - vollkan)

Cliquey

(

vollkan

- Hades - robi120)

Manno92

(

xvart

)

skeith931

(julienvonwolfe)

Not Voting

(Thief - skeith931 - xvart)

Hades

(Cliquey - Manno92 - vollkan)

skeith931

(julienvonwolfe - xvart)

Cliquey

(

Hades

- robi120)

Manno92

(Thief)

robi120

(Hades)

Not Voting

(

Thief

- skeith931 -

xvart

)

Hades

(Cliquey - Manno92 -

vollkan

)

Thief

(vollkan - xvart)

skeith931

(julienvonwolfe -

xvart

)

Cliquey

(robi120)

Manno92

(Thief)

robi120

(Hades)

Not Voting

(skeith931)

Hades

(Cliquey - Manno92 - skeith931)

Thief

(vollkan - xvart)

skeith931

(julienvonwolfe)

Cliquey

(robi120)

Manno92

(Thief)

robi120

(Hades)

Not Voting

(

skeith931

)

Thief

(vollkan - xvart - Cliquey - julienvonwolfe - Me=Weird)

Me=Weird

(

Cliquey

- Manno92 - skeith931)

skeith931

(

julienvonwolfe

)

Cliquey

(robi120)

Manno92

(Thief)

robi120

(

Me=Weird

)

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Not Voting

(xvart - Cliquey - julienvonwolfe - Me=Weird - skeith931 - robi120 - Manno92)

Not Voting

(xvart - Cliquey - julienvonwolfe -

Me=Weird

- skeith931 - robi120 - Manno92)

robi120

(Me=Weird)

Not Voting

(xvart - Cliquey -

julienvonwolfe

-

skeith931

-

Strigoides

- Manno92)

Me=Weird

(Strigoides - skeith931)

Strigoides

(Me=Weird)

xvart

(julienvonwolfe)

Me=Weird

(Strigoides - skeith931)

xvart

(julienvonwolfe - LynchMePls)

Strigoides

(Me=Weird)

skeith931

(xvart)

Not Voting

(

xvart

- Cliquey -

LynchMePls

)

Me=Weird

(Strigoides - skeith931 - Cliquey)

xvart

(julienvonwolfe - LynchMePls)

Strigoides

(Me=Weird)

skeith931

(xvart)

Not Voting

(

Cliquey

)

Me=Weird

(Strigoides - skeith931 - Cliquey)

xvart

(julienvonwolfe - LynchMePls)

Strigoides

(Me=Weird)

skeith931

(xvart)

Me=Weird

(Strigoides - skeith931 - Cliquey - xvart)

xvart

(julienvonwolfe - LynchMePls - Me=Weird)

Strigoides

(

Me=Weird

)

skeith931

(

xvart

)

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Not Voting

(Strigoides - skeith931 - Cliquey - xvart - LynchMePls)

Not Voting

(Strigoides - skeith931 - Cliquey - xvart -

LynchMePls

- LynchMePls)

xvart

(

LynchMePls

)

Not Voting

(Strigoides - skeith931 - Cliquey - xvart -

LynchMePls

)

xvart

(LynchMePls)

xvart

(

LynchMePls

- LynchMePls - Strigoides - skeith931)

Not Voting

(

Strigoides

-

skeith931

- Cliquey - xvart -

LynchMePls

)

---

Not Voting

(Strigoides - skeith931 - Cliquey)

Not Voting

(

Strigoides

- skeith931 - Cliquey)

skeith931

(Strigoides)

skeith931

(Strigoides - Cliquey)

Strigoides

(skeith931)

Not Voting

(

skeith931

-

Cliquey

)

[RedCoyote]

March 13th, 1868

I stumbled across this town during my journey to California. As a bit of a historian, I sought out bits of interests and what made up the American experience. This town I found was rich with emotion, and I knew it would be something special. I ran into one of the few survivors of the carnage, and he was more than happy to share his recollections. "Start from the beginning, if you please," I requested. He smiled, thinking back at how it all began one day...

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Vote Count 1.0

• Not Voting

  (Manno92 - robi120 - Betagold - skeith931 - Hades - xvart - Cliquey - julienvonwolfe - vollkan)
  
  

With nine alive, it takes five to lynch.
Current Deadline: May 6th, 2010 at 3:30 PM (CST)

[Cliquey]

Praise Jesus! the game is finally upon us.

I'll confer my vote to a higher authority.

proxy vote to vollkan

[Manno92]

Just to say "Hi" and "How's it going?"

[Betagold]

So, I've been stolen and put in this game. Fine with that. Ready to go!

[xvart]

Hello everyone. Happy hunting. I'm looking forward to playing with everyone. Unfortunately I am about to leave for Dallas in about half an hour, so I will be with Limited Access until Sunday. I am confident that I will be able to post some during that time but am not sure. For the time being, I'll go ahead and throw down a vote.

Vote: Hades

because it is hotter than Hades where I live right now.

Mod: Limited Access through Sunday

xvart.

[skeith931]

Hello everyone I have to be in school in a while so ill be back in later to post and vote.

[Hades]

What's up?!!

Straight up, I would just like to roleclaim:
I am a Vanilla Townie.

Now, we all know that I could just be lying, but we've gotta get the game going somehow.

[Hades]

vote: xvart

for random voting me.

[Hades]

P.S. a good way to start the game up would be for everybody to vote either me or xvart.

[Cliquey]

Straight up, I would just like to roleclaim:
I am a Vanilla Townie.

Thats a very anti-town move.

[vollkan]

Praise Jesus! the game is finally upon us.

I'll confer my vote to a higher authority.

proxy vote to vollkan

Are you lodging a proxy vote because you're going V/LA or something, or just joking? :S confused

If I do have your proxy vote, I use it to

Proxy Vote:Cliquey

:O Cliquey is self-voting!!

Vote: Cliquey

[julienvonwolfe]

Hi all. First off, I dislike random vote stages, and propose instead an 'arbitrary question stage'. I've found this to be quite an effective means of getting a game moving in the past. I would request that everybody only answer the question that I have asked them.

Manno92 - Do you like my idea of an arbitrary question stage? Why or why not?

robi120 - Do you think that it is worthwhile trying to analyse the intent behind nightkills?

Betagold - Lynch all lurkers. Agree or disagree, and why?

skeith931 - What are your thoughts on a massclaim?

Hades - How exactly did you see your roleclaim getting the game moving?

xvart - SE! Can you give us a little lecture on WIFOM?

Cliquey - SE! Can you give us a little lecture on why we shouldn't no lynch today?

vollkan - IC buddy. Do you still do your point system (I think I've played with you before when you did this, though it may have been somebody else who's name started with V)? Also, how do you normally start a game when you IC?

[Cliquey]

Hi all. First off, I dislike random vote stages, and propose instead an 'arbitrary question stage'. I've found this to be quite an effective means of getting a game moving in the past. I would request that everybody only answer the question that I have asked them.

Manno92 - Do you like my idea of an arbitrary question stage? Why or why not?

robi120 - Do you think that it is worthwhile trying to analyse the intent behind nightkills?

Betagold - Lynch all lurkers. Agree or disagree, and why?

skeith931 - What are your thoughts on a massclaim?

xvart - SE! Can you give us a little lecture on WIFOM?

Cliquey - SE! Can you give us a little lecture on why we shouldn't no lynch today?

vollkan - IC buddy. Do you still do your point system (I think I've played with you before when you did this, though it may have been somebody else who's name started with V)? Also, how do you normally start a game when you IC?

Take this to the MD board.

Hades - How exactly did you see your roleclaim getting the game moving?

Only useful part of your post.

[skeith931]

Um julienvonwolfe What's a massclaim?

Sry this is my first game still unfamiliar with the terms

[vollkan]

Do you still do your point system (I think I've played with you before when you did this, though it may have been somebody else who's name started with V)?

I've been on hiatus from mafia for a while. Since coming back, I haven't been using the points system, but that's really just been an omission rather than a conscious choice. I think I will try it again in this game.

Also, how do you normally start a game when you IC?

I think I've ICed two times before (?). I don't think I have a "normally". Though, I did consciously not self-vote at the start of this game, which I would have done if I wasn't ICing

Um julienvonwolfe What's a massclaim?

Sry this is my first game still unfamiliar with the terms

A massclaim is where every player claims their role.

[skeith931]

So wont everyone just claim a townie, cop, or doctor? I don't see how that helps town especially since whoever claimed cop or doctor will likely die from the mafia.

[robi120]

First of all ,hi all.My name is robi120,this is my first game

robi120 - Do you think that it is worthwhile trying to analyse the intent behind nightkills?

No.
Why to analyse it?Mafia just random shoot people hoping to kill the cop(or doc).

I will not vote yet.I don't find enyvone guilty.

[skeith931]

And if for example I was the cop, I dont think I would claim cop then and there since im just probably gonna die. I would probably claim townie to avoid being night killed.

[skeith931]

@robi120 and Manno92 This is just a suggestion, but maybe you both should get profile pictures. It makes it easier on the eyes to tell who is who.

[robi120]

@robi120 and Manno92 This is just a suggestion, but maybe you both should get profile pictures. It makes it easier on the eyes to tell who is who.

Done!

[xvart]

Straight up, I would just like to roleclaim:
I am a Vanilla Townie.

Claiming vanilla townie is a terribly anti-town thing to do. It narrows down the selection of who might have power roles for the scum to target at night. Basically, claiming vanilla townie is self preservation over going for the town win condition. A vanilla townie's job is to play as pro-town as possible and try and draw the NK, allowing the power roles to do their job and get information for later on.

[SE]Never, ever claim vanilla townie unless you are at L-1 (one vote from lynch) or the town is doing a mass claim.[/SE]

vote: xvart

for random voting me.

This is quiet obviously OMGUS (Oh My God You Suck!) vote; voting me for voting him.

xvart - SE! Can you give us a little lecture on WIFOM?

WIFOM is essentially a guessing game on who would do what. The most common example is endgame when there is a claimed cop and a doctor in the setup. The mafia obviously wants to kill the cop and the doctor wants to protect the cop. The mafia also want to kill the doctor but they don't know who it is, and each night that passes the cop could pull up a guilty on the scum. Basically each team has to try and predict and outguess what the other is going to do, i.e. "I clearly can't drink the wine in front of me..."

WIFOM wiki page

So wont everyone just claim a townie, cop, or doctor? I don't see how that helps town especially since whoever claimed cop or doctor will likely die from the mafia.

It helps keep the scum to a specific role. Since it is a semi-open setup it would be difficult to fake claim a power role with the possibility of being counter claimed. Also, if a scum fakes a power role then he/she has to keep producing fake results, which might later be a nail in the coffin.

[SE]Someone posted this in my newbie game and it was very helpful. Commonly Used Abbreviations[/SE]

xvart.