Pledge of Allegiance (Game Over! Page 76)

[Jack]

@UncertainK: I said it was "kind of ironic".

@FishyTheF: because it sounds like he was worried about being too defensive. Why are you defending him before he explains it himself? Isn't that what you jumped on me for doing earlier? Also, you should check and see if your book has a new edition. Or stop using a book, and start using your gut.

[VP Baltar]

Well, all I know is that I've seen you as disinterested town more than once, particularly when you get vanilla. Therefore, I think you'd be inclined to take scum since you would see it as more "fun". You don't happen to have some of these SEVERAL TIMES do you?

@DDD - I think Troll has proven very successful as a scum player in the past and wouldn't mind the challenge. Why do you think he'd take town?

[Fishythefish]

Gut is good, but I like my book too, thanks. Posting without point is something I think scum do more, because they want to look like they are contributing.

I'm criticising your attack because I think it's rubbish. There's nothing in his short, factual response to a short, factual question that "sounds like he was worried about being too defensive". Whereas what I jumped on you for doing is making a very vague comment about an attack which you didn't know the meaning of, with no protown purpose that I can think of.

[Jack]

Obviously, you don't "know the meaning" of my fos of nico ("I can't think of any purpose" etc). Have fun ice skating on hypocrisy lake. Vagueness is often honesty, and honesty is pro town.

DGB needs more votes.

[Ojanen]

Also, please answer your own question.

Vastly prefer town for the freedom. I get a perfectionistic "this is mine to lose for my team" feeling as scum and posting is work, no fun. Besides, solving>pulling a leg. Briefly considered other for the off-chance I might get a one-woman wincon which could be fun to try but then thought even being a mason in F&E caused me to stress and clog up with posting, not worth the risk.

[VP Baltar]

F U MS!

@UK - Sure, but aren't you more likely to draw vanilla than a PR as town?

As far as the role PM thing, if that's true then I forgot. I thought we picked our sides without seeing it, but I admit to not looking at the PM that closely.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey all. I'm going to

vote DGB

because abr says she likes to be scum.

I found another scum!!! What a day.

Everyone knows how I love to cause wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth as I devastate scum team after scum team with my awesome scumdar.

Ojanen is officially town.

[Jack]

I think FishyTheF needs some votes too. He makes points that sound like things he often uses as town, but they don't really jive with reality and he's avoiding backing away from them.

[Fishythefish]

Firstly, accusations of hypocrisy are just saying that something you did isn't scummy because someone else did it. It's attacking the player rather than defending the argument. It's an irrelevance if I commit a scumtell I also use, and a terrible defense/argument.

Secondly, there simply is no hypocrisy here, however you try to play with words. What I am attacking you for is:
a) making a pointless comment on Parama, when it was unclear what he was saying.
b) making a bad attack on Nico
You haven't given me any reasons why you made that comment on Parama, and I'm not remotely convinced by your comments on Nico - your interpretation of his posts simply doesn't make any sense.

What is it that you think is hypocritical in my play? Do you have anything to add about either of the things I find scummy about you?

[Jack]

Well, I can at least see the point you're trying to make now. I rescind my call for votes on you

However, you are still basing your argument on a) your "tell" about scum making pointless posts and b) disagreeing with my read of Nico's posts. Neither jive with proper tell theory.

[LlamaFluff]

Just based on meta, I'd say that UncertainKitten couldn't resist taking scum or other.

Nope, meta says UK and DGB are town.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD - I think Troll has proven very successful as a scum player in the past and wouldn't mind the challenge. Why do you think he'd take town?

Obviously I know he can be dangerous as scum, but personally I think his attitude is part of what Oj posted "Besides, solving>pulling a leg. " Just seems to me that'd he'd rather be solving the puzzle than engaging in subterfuge if given a choice.

[farside22]

##vote: Jack

So, which alignment do you guys personally prefer and why did you choose town?

Not sure why parama voted on this? Feels scummy

I pick town because I'm too busy lately. I get more stressed and have to work order being scum

## unvote
##Vote: Parama

town reads so far:

DGB
VP

hesitating read:
uncertain kitty
Jack

scum:

Parama - wants to assure people of his meta and his vote and reasoning look like the biggest load


Not meantion:
Not enough to go on.

[zoraster]

Site is slow and Spyrex's parser is having trouble, so this one's by hand. Sorry for not doing a top-of-the-page count, but it's taking forever to edit, so...

Day 1 Vote Count

charter ( 0 )
Cobalt ( 0 )
d3x ( 0 )
Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )
DrippingGoofball ( 1 ) Jack
Ellibereth ( 0 )
farside22 ( 1 ) LLamaFluff
fishythefish ( 0 )
Gammagooey ( 0 )
imaginality ( 0 )
Jack ( 3 ) ojanen fishythefish Nicodemus
Jazzmyn ( 0 )
LLamaFluff ( 0 )
Nicodemus ( 0 )
ojanen ( 1 ) Parama
Parama ( 2 ) xvart farside22
phate ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
Shotty to the Body ( 0 )
UncertainKitten ( 1 ) VP Baltar
VP Baltar ( 0 )
xvart ( 0 )
Zorblag ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 15 ) charter Cobalt d3x Debonair Danny DiPietro DrippingGoofball Ellibereth Gammagooey imaginality Jazzmyn phate popsofctown RedCoyote Shotty to the Body UncertainKitten Zorblag
Total Votes ( 24 )

Deadline: May 18th at 11:00 EDT
With 24 able to vote, 13 needed to lynch.

[Parama]

How is it a contraction?

Contradiction, but I'm a terrible typist.

Parama sure spends a lot of time talking while saying nothing.

Welcome to RVS!

So, which alignment do you guys personally prefer and why did you choose town?

I felt I had no chance of playing scum successfully against this player list.

##Vote: Jack

Really? You saw the player list before picking alignment?

The only reason I /in'ed this game was because the player list looked awesome <_<

@Jack: Why would you

waste a post

pointing out something as obvious as that? Further, you don't even answer why you assumed other was cult...

Are you asking if I have a post restriction?

^this is a waste of a post^

I should've figured people would be using meta arguments in this game. I'm going to break tradition and not use meta at all because scumhunting is more successful when you focus on just the game at hand.

List of people who have already used a meta argument and the number of times:
DGB - 1
VP Baltar - about 100
DDD - 1
UK - 1
farside - 2
Llama - 2

I have yet to read a post by VP that I like. I just get a terrible gut feel from every one of his posts, and the logic is shallow, almost like he's not trying.

##unvote
##vote: VP Baltar

If I were to use a meta argument to point out scum I would point at Jack but that's all I'm going to say on the matter.

[Ojanen]

Hey Parama, this was sufficiently terrible that "it was RVS" isn't enough to address it for me, please answer:

Oj's 2nd question = implying she's town while looking for the most likely townies based on responses, hence why I'm not answering the questions

Lolwut?
My question assumed noone would wanna claim scum or other at this point. I'm town but where in my post did I imply that?
Do you think it's somehow bad to possibly uncover other-aligned people at this stage or what the hell is your objection based on?

[VP Baltar]

Feel free to list the hundred meta arguments I've used. Also, give a detailed explanation of how any of those make me more likely to be scum.

[farside22]

so in regards to post 64.

Anyone who understands how I play knows my alignment.

##vote: Gammagooey

because I didn't know you were on MS

Saying people who understand your play (aka meta) but anyone using meta is scummy?
Let me know if I missed something in my scum read of you then.

[Gammagooey]

Haaaaaaay Parama

##Vote: Cobalt

for ongoing game shenanigans.

Oj-I chose town because I am way better at it than scum, mostly because I'm decent at behavior analysis and figuring out sense from the night actions provided once it gets down to a massclaim (although that applies more to Epicmafia than here)

Jack-Plenty of people have already asked this but since you haven't ever actually ANSWERED it whyyyyy would you see Other:Non-hostile and immediately think of cult? It sounds way more like survivor or something like Tar's Dreaming God or Vi's Moychendaiser.

[imaginality]

Anyone who understands how I play knows my alignment.

First post of the game, and I don't like it - because it's directly about others' perceptions/assumptions about him. In my opinion, non-town have more reason to worry about the meta WIFOM part of this game than town so to start out by immediately addressing that is a concern.

Subsequent posts also raise flags:

Oj's 2nd question = implying she's town while looking for the most likely townies based on responses, hence why I'm not answering the questions

##unvote
##vote:parama

What did you say in your first post?

I'm letting everyone take what they will from it. Everyone's allowed to make their own assumptions based on it.
You assumed I meant town, so voting for me because of that same line is a [contradiction], by the way. Unless you don't think I was implying I'm town.

How is it a contradiction?

Parama sure spends a lot of time talking while saying nothing.

Welcome to RVS!

...

Are you asking if I have a post restriction?

^this is a waste of a post^

Another contradiction, or is it only you who's allowed to waste posts in RVS?

I should've figured people would be using meta arguments in this game. I'm going to break tradition and not use meta at all because scumhunting is more successful when you focus on just the game at hand.

Your first post practically screamed "Meta me!" so the "I should've figured" here sounds non-genuine.

##Vote: Parama

[Parama]

Hey Parama, this was sufficiently terrible that "it was RVS" isn't enough to address it for me, please answer:

Oj's 2nd question = implying she's town while looking for the most likely townies based on responses, hence why I'm not answering the questions

Lolwut?
My question assumed noone would wanna claim scum or other at this point. I'm town but where in my post did I imply that?
Do you think it's somehow bad to possibly uncover other-aligned people at this stage or what the hell is your objection based on?

I know everyone would answer town but you're looking for the most sincere responses so you can figure out who's lying and who's not. Is that a better explanation?
And right now I don't care as much about your question because nothing else you've done bothers me like VP is bothering me.

Feel free to list the hundred meta arguments I've used. Also, give a detailed explanation of how any of those make me more likely to be scum.

1. Exaggeration is fun
2. I never said the use of meta arguments made you scum:

I have yet to read a post by VP that I like. I just get a terrible gut feel from every one of his posts, and the logic is shallow, almost like he's not trying.

Stop misrepping me please, it's just another point to add on the rapidly building case <3

so in regards to post 64.

Anyone who understands how I play knows my alignment.

##vote: Gammagooey

because I didn't know you were on MS

Saying people who understand your play (aka meta) but anyone using meta is scummy?
Let me know if I missed something in my scum read of you then.

It's more my personality than anything - has nothing to do with my meta - the meta that I don't think exists.

[Parama]

I love you guys so much <3

[Ojanen]

I know everyone would answer town but you're looking for the most sincere responses so you can figure out who's lying and who's not. Is that a better explanation?

LOL!
You are describing town's objective in mafia.
Why is it harmful to answer my question?!? Why was asking it scummy?

[Ellibereth]

TOWN: DGB, Llama, Kitten, DDD, Oj.

##Vote; Jack

[Ellibereth]

And Para is probably Town too.