League of Legends (Old)

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I started playing this

Blame Agar/tanstalas

Accname: Kalaydowscoop

Been playing Nunu and I'm now lvl 5. Managed to not die in the last game and I was pretty proud of that.

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Been playing some bot games to gain some levels. Having fun with NuNu and Zac. I feel like I'm doing okay with NuNu as I'm pinging my opponents out of lane most of the times, but I'm often confused how to spend my gold on items. I usually go for attack/ability power and that tends to work okay.
As far as Zac goes, I like going tons of health and ability on him but I have a hard time making kills with him on my own, although laning goes alright.

Also, are bots harder to kill then human players? I have yet to dare and enter a pvp game. Mainly because I want to have access to flash/ignite first.

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Is there a skype chat where people play games? Doing this alone kinda gets boring with mute team mates

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@KScope no, bots are super easy, even on intermediate. Now given, there are derpy people who do derp things that make them easier to kill than a bot but most of the time people are harder than bots. As far as getting kills, it just takes experience but eventually you figure out certain champs are made for killing and certain ones just aren't. It's possible to get a kill with anyone of course, but some champs have kits that just aren't built for finishing people off. I don't play Zac but I feel like he's one of those champs. If you want kills with him, you have to wear them down fairly low, probably under half health at least, before attempting the kill. When you decide to go for the kill you have to stay on top of them by using Zac's slows and stuns to be able to get in the damage it takes for the kill. Don't engage with slingshot, save it for catching up in case they get out of range using cc of their own or some kind of dash.

I usually only use slingshot to aid other teammates in a 1v1 lane to get a kill, or to fly away when I'm low health. I'm getting better. I notice bots are dumb regarding bushes so that has helped me a lot.

Is there a skype chat where people play games? Doing this alone kinda gets boring with mute team mates

Generally, when playing with scummers we use Skypecalls or Mumble to chat while ingame.
The mumble server info is somewhere in the mumble thread here in GD.

Well, I'd love to join some some day.

Also, are bots harder to kill then human players? I have yet to dare and enter a pvp game.

Bots are harder to kill than the opponents you'd face when first playing pvp. Bots play generally safer than players just starting out. Bots are more susceptible to allowing you to get off longer combos/more attacks because they don't respond to your positioning as well, but you usually need to take them down from higher health because they're decent about backing when it's not safe for them to be in lane.

It's probably better to learn against bots because in the beginning, I easily got too greedy regarding kills and got myself killed too often. But you're right about the last thing. I have laned a couple of mid lanes with NuNu today 1v1, and the bot usually goes to base 2 times before I tend to go back.

Also, I need help with what is a wise way to invest in items

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KScope! You'll like this game. There isnt much jumping or camping. I think I waited until level 9 or 10 to play pvp and they matched me against other brand new players so it was fine.

I'm playing Zac. I'm jumping and camping all over the place. Also, come back to unicorn night.

I'm assuming you all play on the NA server?

EDIT: Ugh, do I really need to start over if I wanna play on the NA server?

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Just played my first pvp. Definitely better then the majority of that game. Played NuNu Toplane and didn't go back until lvl 10 because I was poking everyone and everything out of my lane. There was only 1 opponent that could kill me easily because he definitely knew what he was doing and dodged my ice balls then damaged me pretty bad. Went 5-3-2 so I feel okay about it since I was mostly alone on top;.

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He did with an ability.

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I should probably start playing on my NA account huh

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Just had my first match on NA server



LOLOLOL

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Yes. They were constantly yelling at each other in the game while I was just trying to keep the lanes safe

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Started getting into ARAM today. That is hella fun stuff

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Ya'll are waiting for Pornstar Gragas. He has a really huge... barrel.

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more

annie sona

Rengar skins!

I'm down for this.

Please!

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These new skins. Esp the backs

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After roughly 3 months of practicing against bots and the occasional normal game, I'm finally getting the hang of it. Went 3-1 with normals today, winning against a unranked, Bronze 3 and Silver 3 and losing against a Gold 3.
My first game was mid: Ahri vs Akali. I controlled the lane pretty well but didn't get many kills despite feeling I should have in a matchup against Akali. When it came to roaming and teamfighting I pretty much stomped and ended the game 10-2-12. My farm was okay, though I had a tough time figuring out what items were best to buy for her. I rushed Tear, Haunting Guise and Sorc Shoes, then went for Zhonya's and Void. I maxed Q first, which is the correct thing to do right? I'm unsure what to build on Ahri, I just know she's strong enough to stomp mid lane against most others.
My second game was top: Nasus vs Nasus. This ended up pretty much being a farmfest. I managed to farm better and while he somehow bought things like Averice Blade, I rushed Frozen Heart and proceeded to stomp him 3-0 during the laning phase, while my team was losing. In teamfights, I went out of position on purpose to catch all the cc to let my team clean up, which is why we eventually managed. They were full AD, so I built Frozen Heart, Trinity Force, Frozen Mallot and Sunfire, with Mercs for tenacity. I maxed E first which seemed to be the best call, maxing Q last. Went 14-1-6 and won it for our team.
My third game was mid: Morgana vs Veigar. I played a passive lane first, bought Chalice, then proceeded to push the lane under the tower after that. I never got a blue while he got it three times but I still won. I rushed Athene's and Zhonya's, followed it up with Sorcs, Rabadon's and Void, then proceeded to crush teamfights by flashing in and ulting, hitting a lot of people. Our Vayne and I pretty much carried this game where I went 10-2-15. But omg, everytime he stunned, I used my E and nulled all the damage he put out. I maxed W first, E second and Q last.
My fourth game was mid: Cassio vs Nidalee. I got stomped this game. They managed to invade and kill our Skarner, giving our blue to Nidalee, who proceeded to spear me to death. I had to back every time and I managed to win a trade only once. My CS was okay, but they were simply better. I went 1-4-3 mainly because of the damn spears. I had no real chance to buy any items and mainly bought MR against Nid, who still managed to chunk 90% of my health with every spear. Then again, I don't feel bad losing against a Gold 3.

I'm considering finally going to play ranked. I have managed to cs pretty ok, but I'm still unsure what role I want to play. I like playing Support, but I feel like I have so little impact over the game's outcome, even when I ward correctly. When I support, I do play agressive which has managed to get my carry some kills from time to time, but everything relies on the other time instead of me. I tend to play Sona or Zyra when supping, and knowing when to use my ulti tends to help me win these games.
I like playing Mid as well, but I feel it gets called mostly and unless I'm quick, I won't play. Despite that, I do feel my mid game is okay. Ganks are usually unsuccessful on me because I invest a lot in wards (only died once during the four games from ganks, and even then I managed to trade 1-1 with the other mid), and I manage not to feel a whole lot by playing defensively unless I feel I can push by having an advantage. I tend to play mage mids like Morgana, Lux or Gragas and burst players down.
I find playing Top tough, because it isn't really an all in lane and it's more a poking war, which I'm not as good at. I tend to get destroyed against characters like Renekton, Riven and Darius. When I play top, I usually play Nasus, Malphite or Zac, building tank and playing defensively.
I dislike playing Jungle, but sometimes get forced into the role because people don't want to play it. I find ganking really hard, mainly because people usually have no idea if people warded, and they walk away when I come close. But when I don't gank, people bitch and complain they don't get ganks and are losing because of it, which is my main distaste of playing the role because people always blame you for losing (when I feel like, if you lose your lane, it's your own god damn fault). When I jungle, I tend to play Zac, Amumu or Shyvana.
I feel impartial about playing ADC. I can CS pretty good even when pushed under the tower, but playing ADC is so boring. And being the focus of damage in teamfights and being dead soon in teamfights also discourages me from time to time. I usually play MissFortune, Tristana or Urgot.

Anyway, long story tl;dr. What advice can you guys give me when I want to start playing soloQ ranked. What's the best approach to playing ranked, esp the qualifying matches? I'm honestly scared to play ranked because I feel like I might get stomped, which is why I held off playing normals so long;

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Dat fucking Brand. So annoying.

I hate facing Renekton and Darius top all the effing time.

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I play EUW: Kalaydowscoop

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Just play all the free champions every week and you'll quickly find out what you like to play. There's no pressure buying any champion unless you hate to see them out of rotation because you want to play them more.

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Such a weird game. Outplayed a towerdive of Lee/Ez botlane and picked up 2 kills, then proceeded to kill many, many more

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Holy shit... People intentionally feeding to ruin your experience. Bring dem reports. LOL @ still winning that.

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melee w/o gapclosers

that's always a problem

on another note, since when did supports start using flat hp seals
omfg they're so expensive
i haven't even caught up to the exp quint jungler and the hybrid pen top/mids yet
omg

Most junglers I know use MS quints?

apparently rushing level 6 on junglers such as amumu/hec/sej/malph while using exp quints is a fad in Korea
affectionately named "LTE jungle"

Sounds legit. I do it with Shyvana as well. She clears quickly and she doesn't really need the movement speed because of her W. And it gives you room for more ganks

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I've been trying Annie support for the last week since seeing worlds and OMG is she strong. Running magicpen marks, armor seals, manaregen glyphs with 2 health quints and 1 gold quints, with flash/ignite, I can continually keep pressure on the lane. Of all the normals games I played, I never lost lane, only tied up a few, but one time went 6-0-4 with my adc going 4-1-6 before the 10 minute mark. If I win lane, I usually rush Tear instead of Philo stone because while my gold income is less then the usual support build, winning a lane gives me just as much. But omg, Annie surely is my new support

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Also, just because of the vid, I'm so excited for Jinx

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In terms of top, mid, etc:

Top: Reliable (as in you can still be game relevant if you are behind and/or it is easy to get ahead and snowball) picks for top lane include lee, j4, malphite, renekton, zac, riven, shen, jax

Mid: I'm not as knowledgeable in this regard, buuut.... Lux, orianna, ahri, annie are all pretty reliable I'd say (a nod to lissandra being an amazing enabler for jungle ganks and crazy plays).

ADC: I'd trust panzer over me

Support: For soloq it's a bit different than other things. Lulu, leona, and sona are extremely impactful in soloq.

I wouldn't recommend Ahri. Her ult will put yourself in awkward positions if you're not used to it and can allow yourself to be blown up quite easily. I'd recommend someone like Gragas for the simply reason he cs's very safe and has an escape ability in his E.

As for Support, Sona and Nami are very forgiving for making mistakes because of their heals, and Nami also helps you land skillshots which is something you want to practice if you want to enlarge your champion pool eventually. Also, Support Annie is a beast

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Mundo is pretty much dead if he gets counterjungled early on. Clearing with him during the early levels eats your healthbar even with potions. And his ganks aren't all that strong.
J4 is a much, much better pick up, not because he's strong in itself, but because of the cc/teamfight presence he can bring. He basically is a magnet for all damage, so build him tank and let the backline clean up. Rammus is okay as well, but he's only good if the waves are gone because he needs room to barge in.
Eve can be a monster, but she needs cc from other laners to snowball, because if she won't, she's basically useless. Same with Shyvana. She clears the jungle like a monster, but her ganks are weak. So it's all about what you prefer.
Also, if you like Nasus, play him in the jungle with ghost/smite. His ganks are quite okay and you can safely up your Q damage in the jungle. I managed to carry a game with him because of people underestimating the Q damage he can put out.

I don't get why people are hating on Soraka though? She might be boring, but you'll manage to save a sloppy ADC from getting themselves killed all the time. And let's not forget Soraka can mess up Assassin combo's with her silence. Also, people need to try out Annie. Badly.

About Sivir ADC: play her against a Blitzcrank or Tresh to just E out of it. God was I sad when I was the blitz in that situation.

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Anyone seen Jinx champ spotlight? Me is thinking Jinx is gonna be big, unlike shitty Lucian

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Depends. The extra gold for the entire team is often enough more important then letting 1 lane farm a little easier

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I hate my friends. I own mid lane like a boss, but we still manage to lose after a long drawn out game



Also, don't ask why we're bronze 4

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So I just bought Shen.
Go top, hit 6, etc.
Then, so much rage
"omg noob why u ult too late"
"y u no ult me. i have 100 hp."
"y u feeding so hard"
"y u not participate in teamfights"
"omg report noob shen"
I go 5/2/8. ADC goes 2/8/7.
I hate people who have no idea how the game works, yet blame others for not saving them from their own stupidity.
...fml

Reason I'm only playing Shen with friends. People expect to ult on them when they are caught 3v1.

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My Bronze IV team finally pulled off a win again since a while. I've been pretty much decided to play top and I've been mostly using Renekton and wrecking face. God, he is so strong. When we were teamfighting, I pretty much zoned Corki, Sona AND Lux from the teamfight while my other team members were cleaning up Mundo and Garen.

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I hate AP top players.

Play them yourself. AP top Ryze wrecks shit

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Rushing full items is usually better, but it depends on the champion. Things like a Tear are better bought seperately early instead of rushing manamune/archangels. But like a Zhonya's on Morgana is usually something you want to rush straight into aside of maybe buying boots of speed.

Again, depends on the role you're trying to fullfill. You can compare it to something like an AP burster like Ahri, who focuses solely on bursting someone down, whereas someone like Swain benefits more for building something like Rod of Ages, which brings you more surviveability

Shutting down assassins is either shut down their laning phase by denying them farm, or shut down there combos by something like Zhonya's, or silence abilities.

You wanna bring Ignite if you plan on dominating your laning phase with pure agression (Support Annie does this well). Ignite can work, but if your team scales into late game it's better to take Exhaust for teamfights.

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All for one mode is kinda hella hot shit. Have played all Urgot vs Ziggs (ya, Ziggs op) Nidalee vs Lux (triple ulti Lux murders people straight up), Heimer vs Shaco (they placed 15 boxes in one bush at lvl1 and when we facechecked we 2 of us died xD. Still Heimer turret pushing OP), all Lulu vs Lee Sin (was fun), Lee Sin vs Ziggs (how we managed to win with Sin idk. Shields op?) and Blitz vs Ez (won very lategame with Twin Shadows/Talisman of Ascension Blitz chases.) Good times!

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God, it feels so good to win lane as Shen vs Nasus. He still had quite a bit of stacks near the end but at that point, we already trampled their team. I feel it definitely helps to be as agressive as possible vs Nasus in the early game. Forced him out of lane already lvl 2

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Pretty much. Just got lucky and gifted myself spirit guard udyr

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Bandit Sivir is her best skin, and Bloodfury is okay so you didn't lose out on that much. I've not had much luck with mystery skins over the last months (I got frozen shen during halloween, but it doesn't seem that special anymore. I also got every Leona Skin available, which is meh). But overall it's worth the RP

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Don't forget Vi. Farm till lvl 6 and gank every lane with ease.

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Attack speeds marks, armor seals, scaling mr glyphs and movement speed quints.
Or you could go the cdr route for champs with good ults, where you replace 6 glyphs and the quints with flat cdr, and go 9/0/21 for 20 cdr at level 1. Only makes you need a SotAG and Locket for full cdr.

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Okay Swain seriously needs some type of late game scaling that makes him serve a purpose beyond "oh look I'm running towards you in this bird form where I deal absolutely no damage. Fear me!"

Build him as a tank. Then in team fights, walk up to priority targets and kill them.

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Oh, wow, Taric really is good again.

BRB gaining elo

Yep

Just tried this. Holy shit. That burst

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How do you guys build Draven?

BotRK, IE, Zephyr/PD (what you prefer) in that order, with Greaves/LW/GA in between depending on the importance of it.

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First one was with Yorick. People didn't expect the damage output of a tanky Yorick

Soraka when she was a good ap mid doesn't count. It's easy if you're ahead and don't get focused.

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God, I remember how I hate new champ day. People instalocking it then feeding 6 kills in the first ten minutes

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God, I remember how I hate new champ day. People instalocking it then feeding 6 kills in the first ten minutes

tbf yasuo looks like one of the least intuitive/hard to play champs that they've released.

If people can feed with it, they will.

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Anyone here able to give me advice on Vlad? I never do enough damage with him

You shouldn't. Vlad is about everlasting sustain and late game. Build spellvamp, spirit visage and AP and just farm all game.

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Tryndamere

Sion, Poppy, and Mordekaiser. The trinity of completely amazing champions.

Fixed

Hue Hue Hue

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I'm getting so fucking tired of playing purple side 9/10 games.
I'm getting so fucking tired of people running into a team of 5.
I'm getting so fucking tired of people going solo the entire game.

I'm so getting over this game at the moment. There's literally not much fun left if you lose every game.

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AP teemo
rylais

No.

Ya lol. Rylais such a waste on Teemo.

Rush Zhonya and have fun with people trying to dive you.

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Just played a Malzahar support against a Galio support. The new meta is so boss for supports

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Had the same problem couple of weeks ago.

Update (or delete and reinstall) your video/sound card and it should be fixed

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Try updating your video card also

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Not without downloading Teemownage.exe

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Vs Yorick either start flask/pots as tank and sustain through his shit, or as fighter start redpot/pots and push lane, get lvl2 and all in and push him out every time he comes back push him back out. Otherwise stay under tower and pray for a gank

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Nice. I've been mainung malzahar mod for a while now and I'm getting better and better at shutting down the other mid laner. Manager to get ahead 120 farm and 4 kills against an Ahri. That felt good

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Also, fuck you spellcheck

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I believe lee/elise/vi are the high priority junglers atm, just because of their early game strength. Eve is up there, but I feel aside of the vision she isn't much better then a shyvana regarding cc

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means I shouldn't buy runes?

This is relevant to us since Klaz is recently a 21 and I'm about to be 20.
General agreement is "do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want-and-hope-for-the-best"?

The main runes are cheap. I say invest.

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Dont shit on malz. Ive been maining him lately and loving it

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are people going to play gay as hell champions like support zilean

Faced a Yorick/Zilean botlane yesterday... seeing ghouls come at you with a bomb on them is quite scary after a few levels

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I've had Udyr a couple of times in ARAM, but if their team has peel, someone like a Lux or Zyra, Udyr is pretty much a sitting duck.

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Holy shit I just played a game as Nami with Yasuo bot against a Cait/Kennen. That was fun. It was nice that my Q and R procced Yasuo's ult

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Went 4-1 in team ranked. Got bronze 3 wtf

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Ditching friends? Great advice!

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Mixed shaco is best shaco obvi

Tanky Orianna comes close.

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SUCK

well you kinda have to wait or initiate as a melee in aram

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his sustain isn't as good

Zac's sustain is amazing, what are you on about?

Zac's issues are the fact that he doesn't have good wave clear or particularly strong flat dueling potential. He's just a sustained poking champion. He's got amazing teamfight presence with his kit, and his scaling into late game is good.

Since he's vulnerable to all ins / being outpushed, he's not as popular as, say, shvana. The key to beating zac is something a lot of people don't get so they end up losing, but it's basically as simple as pushing him to tower or going all in on him early if he over-commits.

Also anyone who says karma is a better support than zyra is silly. Annie vs zyra is difficult given the annie nerf.

Taric is still good.

Have you played Zac of late? His bloblets flying right into your enemy's hands makes lane Zac pretty useless early game. And the current meta is all about winning early game.

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WELL yellowpete isn't an aggressive ADC and is def outclassed by a lot of other ad's currently currently in NA LCS. Plus his Urgot was never incredibly great.

Urgot got the nerf bat shortly after allstars didn't he? Or was it just before allstars? Also CLG wouldn't let him play Urgot since it doesn't fit with the whole sieging meta that NA has going on.

Yellowpete sucks as adc and is definitely holding Krepo back.

Urgot got nerfed during spring split iirc.

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Mhmmm, had a game yesterday where I was 9/1 after 15 minutes as top Warwick with teleport against Jax. That was a good feeling. Snowballing as Warwick is fun because you can basically chase everyone under tower because of his E.

Also, our Varus had his first penta in our ranked team game. gg

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Idk, my first penta was with yorick so IT doesnt mean a whole lot

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But from what I understand yorick Is pretty bad recently

No, just underplayed. He's the biggest lanebully in the toplane next to Teemo

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These selfish builds of supports. Am I the only one who builds talisman/mikeals/twinshadows on most of my ap supports?

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Leona, Karma, Thresh, and Zyra seem to be the best supports right now. Annie is also good but not in my personal opinion.

You forget Nami.

Nami is only good if the player behind it knows how to land a bubble. Same with alistar in asia bring popular because people roam with him there

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Holy shit Trundle is in such a good place at the moment. Went 2-1 in lane versus a Yasuo, and went 4-0 in lane versus Jax. The level 6 burst Trundle brings along with short cooldowns makes him such a good toplane pick at the moment.

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Guinsoo's is great, on Jax.

nope. Jax is still Trinity+BotrK.


About Guinsoo and Hextech Gunblade:

NEVER EVER BUY Guinsoo.
There are plenty of item choices that are better than it.
(Not even on Kayle. Nashors > Guinsoo for Kayle.)

Hextech Gunblade:
Get it if you're Akali.
Else don't even think about touching that item.

Hextech is good on lane Eve. But no one plays that

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No it isn't. She needs her burst to be effective. Gunblade doesn't give you what you need to be effective in that regard.

In lane it does. It gives her spellvamp to remain in lane, and gives cc in a slow. As a laner, Eve doesn't have a lot of strong matchups so unless you plan to roam a lot and let the other mid freefarm, it is a good item on her

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Morde needs the bead/pots/ward start because he's extremely susceptible to ganks and he pushes lanes very hard. If he gets behind in lane he's pretty useless

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Rammus in General isnt. His taunt nerf because of fiddle was ew

Had a yi vs teemo lane tonight that ended in 6-0 after 10 minutes. Hearing a teemo cry "yi noobchamp" when he didnt respect my power with redpot start is yidicilous

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Im surpriser morgana and malzahar arent mentoined as Easy mids

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You need to learn how to poke with ziggs. Otherwise youre playing him wrong.
heimer and veigar are not Easy. Heimers turrets are easily destroyed and a wrong placed stun from veigar and hes dead. And borg telt heavily on farm to be good, which isnt that easy with them.

If you just farm and get back to turret with malz (which is easy because of his e). Youll basically freefarm and ult anyone who dares to towerdive you

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That's true, but as a new player you kinda want champs that farm Easy so that if you screw up and die, you're not immediately useless in a bronze game. And characters like morgana and malzahar do that way better then a heimer or veigar

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It forces updates during games too

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Anyone else here enjoys watching streams from kaceytron? The troll in lol is plenty in there

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Because no one knows how to play/build him.

I play with Viktor top as a tanky mage and that works quite well

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^^people who dont know how to play him ^^

His E poke has very long range, his q with the yellow (yes, its better then the red one) makes gapclosing Easy, paired with the fact that anyone who Tries to auto you gets a q in the face thus cant effectively trade with you. You rush rylais on him just as on cassio and youll be very hard to kill. And thats not even talking about the power of his w

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I think Viktor has no place in mid with the Current meta, but hes really good in top atm

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It's not even a meta thing it's a Viktor doesn't do anything atm because of how he's designed as a champion.
I played Viktor for a long time. There's a reason I don't anymore.

edit:
thinking on it yeah he'll do well top but for what? unless you have a tank jungler and an ad mid it's not going to be the best pick.

He's a niche pick to surprise people, and he can zone well. And while building him quite tanky you can still nuke squishy's with a full combo.

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Be happy with someone lik cho in Aram. I had a tryndamere streak that sucks major balls

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You build ap cho on Aram dummy. Tank cho on Aram indeed sucks.

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Pfft. Zilean support op when rushing athenes and talisman while having totally defensive runes/masteries

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If you pick Renekton top you need to Bully your opponent constantly otherwise youre better of picking something that scales better late game. But renekton has high kill potential and is fun to play.

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Lol.

I have friends that are in bronze 5 who I love to play normals with. But damn, seeing someone with 500+ wins who play ashe with ghost/heal is truly amazing. And while playing Zil mid I face off against poppy. Love this game sometimes

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I sometimes take a step back from pvp to bots just to get a more positive energy back, even though bots have the regular complainers of KS, but I can laugh at that

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No. And not with taric either. Play something like Yi that can kill whole teams

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Yep. Regularly ban that bitch via because her ganking is me dying

And no irish

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I main warwick and you just need to rush bork and wits end and either sunfire or randuins and youre good

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Not really. If you go a lifesteal first you can outsustain any agressive ad top because of your q, w and passive. And pre 6 you just need to be as passive as possible and maintain your mana. That's why i prefer a flask start and regen glyphs instead of something else because pre 6 is all about surviving. After your first real back you should be able to outtrade the enemy

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Just because people pick it and have occassional success with it doesnt mean they work. Gambit played amumu support and won that game. Doesnt mean that amumu support is a good sup pick

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Trading a death for cs is never worth it
Trading a death for a tower is rarely worth it.

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True, but bronze players overcommit and both die and don't get the tower often enough. It's rarely worth it unless you know for sure you can take it.

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Nautilus is bad because he eats his own mana with one rotation. Leona and alistar do IT better

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I desperately wanna try IT but im at work.

But i heard people going 3 bot and 2 in every lane.

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with 5 players, there were 4 gold sources that could be used at any given time. 3 lanes and a jungle. It was more beneficial to have one rich, one poor rather than both halfway, which is why supports exist. The map hasn't changed, the number of players has. Regardless of how you do it, you want to organise that there are 4 people working to get gold, and two to find some passive source. GP/10 is mostly tied to lanes now, stuff like philo is gone and that was usually the saving grace of a roamer. Targons might work, since you can load that. Otherwise, I feel like two duolanes with one clear supporting player has to be the default solution.

my thoughts exactly. With any other choice then double duo lanes, the sixth person will either be behind or hold people back in levels. Although a heavy counterjungle could work but will be risky.

Idk, something like double targons/bruiser top or a straight secomdary support seems the best choice

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Only noobs feed

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How is Sej jungle atm?

Overall meh. Meh clear times, meh ganks, meh late game. Overall, there are better choices

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is that why she has the 5th highest winrate last month?

She fits in most teamcomps. Doesn't mean she can carry herself

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Hexakill is more fun than I expected. It plays more like normal SR than I thought it would, but feels a lot less like normal SR than it should.

i like it, although i do feel people use it as an excuse to do stupid shit. Tried 4 games and won them all. Its constant fighting though

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I can imagine. Warding is now more important then ever because people get caught constantly

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The only acceptable thing to do in hexakill is ask someone to pick a reset champ, then go zilean support, rush athene's and talisman and spam spells (mostly ults and speeds)

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There's so much Poppy in Hexakill. I hate Poppy.

I keep seeing Zed and Akali there

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Not really. Everyone is trying to get that hexakill. Akali can do it

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Are you playing her support or mid?

Anyway, Chalice is always a good pickup

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Make sure that if you click the link, you change the region in the link to the appropriate region. I've had the issue as well.

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Don't play Singed as a beginner. It totally teaches how not to position yourself.

AP Ezreal is still a thing. I saw a Greedy Ezreal build in Hexakill that ran both mejais en occult and wrecked face

TPA Mundo, Gatekeeper Galio, Nunu Bot, Zombie Brand and Exiled Morgana are among my favourites

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Also assissinate and just plain slaughter is different, our bot lane went from full health Lucian/Taric to dead Lucian/Taric in about 3 seconds flat even though i got my stun, heal, second heal (summoner spell) and was trying to beat the living daylights out of him.

We were 1 level behind before he fucked us.

Then he was probably ahead in items, and you didn't ward properly to see this coming.

What greyice said is the truth. Assassins don't feed themselves. And any hard cc can shut them down. Every time I see someone pick Katarina, I always pick Nami just to make them useless. Khaziz is good but he has weaknesses like every champ

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Nami takes time to get to the backline. Kat is okay as long as she survives the lane phase since velkoz e takes time to charge

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how to not get assassinated from bronze to low gold

Don't get caught out like a bitch.

A PSA from zephyr.
and trust me, this is the reason why you're dying to assassins.

pretty much

I love playing malz, rushing dfg and then walk in their jungle

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New spellthief is very, very good, even its third form gives you a lot of gold and power

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They're both okay but mostly outclassed by other items. I usually build ohmwrecker against teams with a ton of waveclear so you can still chunk towers down.
And mid Zyra/heimer loves banner of command

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no. lol. Banner of command on high dps mids is a no go. Heimer maybe if you're running a hard siege comp.

they're support utility items with specific uses. how are they outclassed?
They're kind of expensive yes (ohmwrecker definitely yes) but it's because the actives do more than just add to your flat sheet dps.

They're meant to directly open up opportunities where your team otherwise wouldn't have them. I'm not sure what other items there are that do that so directly.

banner is used for splitpushing. Get lich bane. It's more effective.
Ohmwrecker is used to siege towers. By the time your core items are done you're heading to 50 minutes in and its all about 1 team making a mistake rather then investing in an expensive item for tower sieging.
Supps are better off buying something like randuins or twin shadows

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Well, It kinda does. You wont get much chance to shoot a summoner in the face in general so when you get an opportunity to let it hurt as much as possible before they're out of range again

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a) Shiv gets you a lot more chance to hit an enemy champ (it hits 4 things every time you hit something)
b) attack speed = more hits.

shiv damage is minimal damage.
No. People walk away when shot in the face. AS is only good in all-in fights so unless you plan to all-in instead of farming, go for it

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Karthus carries low elo games so hard.

Mainly because no low elo mid laner knows how to properly shut him down in lane so he just afk farms and becomes a beast late game.

This so much. Randomly picked him a week ago, farmed for the first thirty minutes and made their carries Life hell

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No one straight up 'beats' renekton.

I usually pick someone like Yorick if I wanna harass just as hard

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what if Mundo WANT kill bodies to win lane?

run ignite/ghost, start red pot + e and smash race level 1

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Holy shit. I enjoyed viewing this thread until IT became a geeky math thread. Stop.

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I got shit on by a Ryze top a couple of days too. The range he got makes him useful and very annoying again

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I feel you. Get paired up against a diamond or platinum from time to time. Still managed to win though because it's usually just one player

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Max q in toplane
Max e in midlane
build rylais/lyandris
excell midgame and hope it doesnt come to late game

Also, saw Jayce for the first time since forever. Forgot how much damage that bitch can do

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Yeah, he seemed pretty weak until he got his tear. But his triple shot seems okay for tower pushing? Don't know how good trinity force is on him but it seems okay?

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I get what you're saying. I remember acing the opponents team 5-0 but we had no minions to push the inhib towers and no one wanted to tank so I just let myself almost die as a mid laner to at least get an inhib out of it. Even the tank on our team sad LOL lets wait for minions.

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Ya'll need to try Kayle support against low range ADC's with the spellthief's edge. Monsterous I tell you.

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That sucks.
got queued up against plat1/plat5/gold3/silver1/silver5 with plat1/gold2/silver2/silver5 as bronze3 and we lost bot and top and mid went even.

Then we started teamfighring and the game was over 12mins after that. Amazing how a game can turn

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If you lost bot and top, then they have 3/4 fed people and you have none (assuming mid was truly even).

Seems like you should lose teamfights unless your teamfight comp is gorgeously good or they get caught out a lot.

We had taric/garen/amumu/caitlyn/nidalee vs pantheon/orianna/quinn/zilean/sivir.

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No, we won. Quinn wrecked Garen top but with 3 tanks (taric included) pretty much shut down their ad squad. And they had no tanks

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No, just banned

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Because the last couple of posts were all yours?

Played Blitz support for the first time in three months. I just forgot how much that guy can snowball games.

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Malz is god. Its my main mid as well. Dfg malz op

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Idk, I use dfg on malz when we get ahead quickly. Clear their jungle of wards, then roam in there and wait for picks.

If you play even or fall behind, then I just build athenes

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For malz?

Athene's into Zhonya into Void.

And stick with the team

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5 items on Malzahar are not negotiable: Athene Sorc Liandry Zhonya Void. Your 6th is probably going to be a Rylai, but it could be a DCap, and it should be a DC instead of a DFG if you're going for higher burst, because it's guaranteed damage where a DFG is damage conditional to an active use and a combo cast.

Accurate.

Void staff rush is shit compared to getting ap unless they are building mr.

Even then why are you 1v1'ing to the point that you're devoting fucktons of gold to being less useful in teamfights?

idk zhonya before lyandri is what i prefer simply because of immobility and the amount of assassins

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Order is variable depending on the game state, of course, but the core is the core. I'd say that you could usually get away with just seeker's for early game and then finishing it as needed later. Definitely nothing wrong with prioritizing not dying. I personally wouldn't prioritize it in the case of just one assassin due to the counter-engage potential off of malz's ult, but a dive heavy comp could justify it.

Void staff rush is invariably bad, though.

Void Staff is the one item that gives the most damage early game for the least amount of gold.

No it doesn't. Flat ap of something like zhonyas with the perk of something extra is strictly better then the pure power of void. That's because if no one stacks mr yet, it's a one dimentional ap item. A better investment in a needlessly large rod is gold better spent

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Just play Syndra and throw the turrets out of lane or play Nunu and eat them

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Vlad is a lategame champ that needs to be picked against passive toplaners. I suppose you haven't seen a lategame vladmonster?

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Tried teambuilder for the first time today as support.

Got matched with 3 bronze 5.

Holy shit that was a bad experience. Ashe flashing under enemy tower with ignite, Jungle Yi only going top because they're premade and start feeding tryndamere.

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I can see.

Now against a Platinum II with only silvers on my team

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This last game.

Jinx hitting me with mega death rocket and respectively surviving with 3hp, 26hp and 34hp.

She wasn't happy.

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I always do that in botgames, yelling "For China!" in chat.

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Finally got accepted to PBE <3

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Finally got accepted to PBE <3

is it worth it?

yep. Already tried the skt skins

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You mean the ones that are actually good?

Not since the nerf

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I don't mind dying as support. At least you're involved then. Especially with someone like a Leona or Thresh

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I only need snow bunny nidalee via mystery gift and then I can buy all other skins to have all available skins. Waiting on the skt/fizz/syndra/rengar to get released

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Ga is usually better. But just sit on a negatron cloak for as long as possible for mr purposes and finish it last into something

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How fun.

We're ahead. Then suddenly we get three disconnects, they manage to get all three mid turrets and then proceed to win the game.

Fucking hacks

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Tested Braum and he is pretty hilarious. Your ally being able to proc from your passive makes him really good with someone like Ez or Lucian.

New skins for Lissandra (yay <3) and Pantheon (meh) look good too!

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Also I find the video Reck posted to be generally obnoxious, tbh >_>

Probably why it's him posting it then

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So uhm.

I still haven't played ranked outside of team ranked.

But in normals, I generally get queued with High Silver/Gold/Low Plat players now. Is this any indication of my skill or is this mostly random?

Today I managed to beat a Plat IV in lane and I'm really contemplating to start playing ranked. But I feel I might just get discouraged because of the toxic environment, which is what has withold me thus far.

Any advice?

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5 seconds

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Gangplank seems in such a bad place at the moment.

Tried to take him top today but you can't play agressive with his Q because of minion aggro. I was against a Cho and he could just sustain my damage with his passive and trades were impossible with minions aggroing me all the time. It was so frustrating because this Cho was so bad.

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I just want to play Shen top against something that isn't Yorick or Teemo so I have a chance at winning my lane.

Shen doesn't win lane. Shen wins other people's lanes.

Actually, Shen can outtrade a lot of toplaners around lvl 8-9. It's just getting through the early levels.

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Heh

Had an ad lulu/sup katarina botlane yesterday. Effing nightmare

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Holy shit are you bitter that ani got lucky and you didnt?

Big who cares. Fuck ranked and just enjoy the game. Im playing this game for over a year now, havent played a game of ranked aside of team ranked and I feel I do well enough to enjoy myself by sometimes winning and sometimes losing. At least i can play poppy top without getting flamed because its "ranked"

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Gotta love people in ranked with an ego so big that they can't take advice.

I whomp this Swain in lane, we were both the capitains, and he clearly bans only mids, and then picks swain, I try to tell him after the game to not ban only mids with a champ that can realistically go into two lanes (I have seen Swain's top) and he goes back at me saying "You counter picked me and only went even"

Now this is after a game where he got counter picked (Ziggs) and was camped by Udyr all early game, he was 50 CS down within the first 15 minutes.

He went "Even" with me.

God people need to take their ego's out of the game.

People play Swain?

I tried it a couple of weeks ago and it's still a horrible experience. If you get pushed under tower you're basically gonna fall behind because Swain farms horribly under tower. The only good thing is you have a low death potential.

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Holy shit.

Random normal: I pick Veigar mid for fun

Go against Yasuo. GG before even going into that lane. Ugh

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Yeah no. Just had a Jynx/Leona vs MF (myself)/Leona lane and it makes me cry to see their leona engage every time while my Leona is focused on getting her targon stacks.

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Ugh. Had a jax that fed Riven 3 kills and ragequit, then we managed to turtle till the 50 minute mark, winning 2 teamfights when they tried to dive us and got an inhibitor that way

Then our warwick overextends, he dies and the enemy overruns us. Ugh, so close.

Had the best kda and gold as support zyra too. I felt so sad but I got 4 honorable opponents for it. Zyra works so well against Riven/Yasuo/Leona/Olaf/Ashe team.

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Then you better win the early game because you'll lose late. And in the Current lategamr meta you better be a good Teemo

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Also, pushing with Teemo in the early levels is such a noobtrap as well. You're so easily gankable pre6 without your shrooms, it's not even funny.

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Yeah the last time I played top (I main support/jungle), I went like 1/4 in lane but kept pushing nonstop and drawing jungler aggro. 25 mins in, I had the top middle turret down and the rest of my team was like 15/5 because I was consistently occupying their top laner and jungler. The feeder carry is real.

This pretty much. Went 1-4 in lane as Mundo yesterday, only to come back to 8-3 in the midgame.

I also found out there that Poppy shits on Mundo early game just as much as most people shit on Mundo early.

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He flash Q/Ignites on pre 6 Mundo.

I can tell you it hurts

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Poppy builds Trinity/BotrK then defensive items unless you want to play the assassin with your ult. Then you just ult the support then take out everyone until the ult runs out.

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Trinity/BotrK/Randuins/Mercs seem pretty much core on her if you wanna teamfight, which is kinda what Poppy wants.

But if you wanna splitpush you might prefer Hydra of BotrK

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It seems people also build Hextech on him.

But it seems that build gets extremely out of hand gold wise

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You don't have to ban yi if you have map awareness and some way to get away from ganks.

The classic Yi move is to just farm to 6 and then run into bot and get kills
Guess how preventable that is


You don't have to ban yi if you have map awareness and some way to get away from ganks.The classic Yi move is to just farm to 6 and then run into bot and get killsGuess how preventable that is

Getting 4 teammates who understand that not feeding yi in midgame = yi doesnt 1v5 and win lategame is rather difficult in my elo

idk, twitch jungle can do as much damage as a yi can. If you start red and gank at lvl2 in mid before doing blue you'll do a lot of damage if you stealth in and have e up.

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After having so many games as tanky toplaners /w Teleport like Shen, Mundo and Trundle, I finally played something agressive early again.

I forgot how much fun it can be to just dominate a lane. I was playing Darius with teleport and managed to control both my lane and the bottom lane because of it.

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I disagree.

Mundo is still great. Yes, he gets abused pre 6 a lot, but he's still a lategame monster, especially with not as many people running ignite anymore.
The Heal nerf hit him though so in 4.7 not so sure anymore

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Yeah, but the global pressence of Teleport while your other toplaner is forced to have ignite is pretty huge. And a Mundo is willing to give up a little bit of farm early on to not risk dying

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Bans?

Jax, Soraka, Thresh

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Ugh.

So I'm going even as Orianna vs Syndra.

Jungler refuses to give me blue, while Syndra gets blue.

I end up losing lane because of the more pressure she can put on the lane. Ugh

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How can you have full build yet have horrible farm and not be lvl18?

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Holy shit getting fed on karthus is so much fun. I had full built on 35mins and had the Blue enchant on boots so i could flash in, use seraphs, zhonya, die then ult and let our corki clean up

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Ghost allows you to move through units. Ghost is okay

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It gets used on tf too. And vlad.

And I'd use it on poppy if she has a horrible matchup

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Cant flash over walls? Then it would be okay, not great

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Shyvana's kit balances out by the lack of cc she brings. Manaless champions like Renekton, Shen and Zac do have that

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They should make him melee

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Sona is really bad in all-in lanes though. Chances are likely she'll die if she gets jumped or hit by a Leona/Thresh/Blitz/Morgana, and all aside of Blitz are popular right now

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Well yeah, if you have perfect positioning, by all means, play Sona. Most of us don't though

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then that's not an inherent flaw of the champion. that's just you being bad.

Yeah sure sure. I'm sure people getting hit by a madlife hook are bad as well.

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You mention Taric and not pair him with Draven? Are you insane?

Also, Soraka/Sivir pushes everyone under the tower.

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I was disappointed that no one pulled her out at All-Stars.

soaz played her toplane

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Totally just carried a game.

As AP Sion

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Oh god

Every time I play Ori, my team fucks up

at lvl3, my jungler gives my enemy syndra double buff

Second buff, nocturne takes it because he was low and didnt want to tank it for me

Third buff, Braum plays vs Yasuo top (go figure) and gets crushed obviously, so third buff Yasuo steals.

Still managed to get even in lane but oh my god that is so annoying when facing a Syndra that can spellspam the entire laning phase.

Bot en Top fed so hard though that despite going 2/1/4 we still lose.

Somehow this always happens when I play Ori

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I love how such a game gets followed up by a 22-3 stomp and a ff at 20m

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Just had a Graves/Alistar(me) lane into Caitlyn/Blitzcrank.

At that point, I'm just glad my Graves isn't a retard and got only grabbed once, and cs'd even with cait, who harassed him all the time.

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Yeah. I had her banned.

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So.

Getting DFG first means that I can 100 to 0 whoever I'm laning against when I come back to lane.

Whereas, any other item as the first item doesn't allow me to do this.

Farming Q bit faster is nice, but it's not as necessary for Veigar to farm Q as much as it is for Nasus.

I feel that early Chalice isn't important for the mana anyway, since as the mid laner I should be getting a blue.

I mostly build it when I'm up against a champion who can reliably deal magic damage to me, similarly to when I build Armguard versus Yasuo/Zed, etc.

This so much. Chalice is a noobtrap for Veigar. Read his passive, consider blue buff and you shouldn't be running out of mana. Q stacking is only important if your opponent isn't in lane. If he is, you'll be throwing Q's in his face. Veigar isn't a Nasus. You won't be building defensive stats while stacking Q. You'll be building him to blow people up post 6.

The problem with playing Veigar like a Nasus (just stacking Q) is that Veigar has no reliable hp/mr/armor stats to fall back on. One good gank and he's dead. And with Athene's first, he's a total non-entity until late game, where the game is likely already won by other summoners then Veigar. Yes, you can stack Q, but If you build DFG, you spike midgame and can snowball really hard from all the kills you can pick up. Follow it up with Void Staff and you'll be able to oneshot almost everyone. And then you still have all the time in the world to stack that Q. If you want to know how to play Veigar, I suggest you view one of scarra's video's where he plays Veigar.

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Honestly man, it seems to be a toss up. If i'm going for the kill early and have a snowball champ, I like ignite, if i'm a top lane wall guy i take tp. But than again, Pros take TP on jax,

Well, Jax is lategame. You should take ignite on champs that have kill potential pre 6, like renekton/riven/xin etc. If you play something like Jax, Irelia or Nasus doesn't really need the ticks of ignite to finish off targets. Then you're better off taking teleport

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@Jason. if you kill people without ignite pre6, then it's sloppy play by them or very good play by you. if anything, I'd still take ignite then. chances are you will be facing someone that won't fall so easily and you'll still want to secure that kill. if anything, having ignite in lane again puts a lot of pressure on your lane opponent because he cant snuck in that risky cs without you jumping him.

also, always take ignite against Mundo's. otherwise he'll always escape post6

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The opposite is fun though. Had a ryze I ganked at lvl2 with xin sinds he pushed like mad. He dies. He teleports back in lane, does the same thing, dies again the same minute. Soms people...