Mini 181 - 80's Music Mafia: Game Over Already :(

[Talitha]

Alpha: You seem awfully keen to lynch me. I'd expect that a pro-town person would want to lynch the

right

person.... not just anyone. What gives?
And would you please try and be more specific about what makes you feel "bad" about my posts?

The machine: What makes you think there is a vig who killed last night and what makes you think they will kill again tonight? You seem to know a lot about the setup, is that guessing or what?

[Astronaut]

Alpha has no right to complain that things are running slowly (and neither am I, I know...) Putting a vote and then saying "we're still not at a lynch" does not ring well in my ears. The tinyest FOS for that one.

My analysis of the bandwagons going at the moment: The case against mepmuff seems more or less cold, and Quag and Tally seem confident the other is scum. Easiest hiding place for scum at the moment would be on one of these wagons. FOS: Jaguar and The_Machine86.

You do realize how suspicous this is going to look if he does turn out to be good.

I've been told this once. By scum.

vote: The_Machine86

It's day one and I've got little but my gut feeling to go by, but machine has been suspicious all along.

[The_Machine86]

The machine: What makes you think there is a vig who killed last night and what makes you think they will kill again tonight? You seem to know a lot about the setup, is that guessing or what?

Based on other people believing that there was a vig kill as well, I think that last night inolved the mafia, an SK and a Vig. Perhaps someone has a role that is one shot, i Just think that it is that way.

[AlphaInsidious]

Astro, I was only adding to the feeling of stagnance before when each was at 2 votes...

And Talitha, I just re-read the thread. To be honest, I don't think that you seem as scummy as my perception was before. You were largely attacked without basis, and I in my non-posting jumped onto the first vote that I saw. I am sorry for this, but I think that you are probably legit. Your defense of yourself is what came out as aggressive, but this is common among deer-in-headlights townies.

Unvote

Now, for my new vote, I don't like how Quag has simply been attacking Talitha all game. Gonna go with a

Vote: Quagmire

-Alpha

[The_Machine86]

Now, for my new vote, I don't like how Quag has simply been attacking Talitha all game.
-Alpha

They've been doin that to each other

[The_Machine86]

Now, for my new vote, I don't like how Quag has simply been attacking Talitha all game.
-Alpha

They've been doin that to each other

Course u can't play the game without doing that

[Quagmire]

Astro, I was only adding to the feeling of stagnance before when each was at 2 votes...

And Talitha, I just re-read the thread. To be honest, I don't think that you seem as scummy as my perception was before. You were largely attacked without basis, and I in my non-posting jumped onto the first vote that I saw. I am sorry for this, but I think that you are probably legit. Your defense of yourself is what came out as aggressive, but this is common among deer-in-headlights townies.

Unvote

Now, for my new vote, I don't like how Quag has simply been attacking Talitha all game. Gonna go with a

Vote: Quagmire

-Alpha

Man, I know who two of the mafiosos are now. TOTAL flip flop for no reason.

FOS: Alpha

[AlphaInsidious]

Well, you maybe think you know, if you are town, or you do know cause you are mafia. However, I don't know who the mafia is. I intend to find out. It was not for "no reason". I reread the thread, and much more in-depth than I had before.

-Alpha

[Quagmire]

Well, you maybe think you know, if you are town, or you do know cause you are mafia. However, I don't know who the mafia is. I intend to find out. It was not for "no reason". I reread the thread, and much more in-depth than I had before.

-Alpha

Shouldn't you have read the thread in the first place?

[AlphaInsidious]

Yes I should have, and I apologize... I did read it, just that I didn't read it too comprehensibly...commonly known as skimming....I'm in many other mafias right now, on Salvation as well, and I came in full-on posting a little late.

-Alpha

[Jaguar]

Wow. Not a lot has happened, other than Alpha flip-flopping within the span of a few posts. That on it's own is enough for a

FOS: Alpha

. I'm not going to change my vote at this time, because I really like this bandwagon on Quag.

[mepmuff]

I think it's a shame now that quag didnt join the wagon on me. That would have left me with a nice place for my vote. But since him not voting me actually makes him look quite good, I'm going to stick up for quag now in the voting department as well. Besides there's still that wishy-washy FOS I need to turn into a vote...

vote: Talitha

[mepmuff]

I think it's a shame now that quag didnt join the wagon on me. That would have left me with a nice place for my vote. But since him not voting me actually makes him look quite good, I'm going to stick up for quag now in the voting department as well. Besides there's still that wishy-washy FOS I need to turn into a vote...

vote: Talitha

[Fuldu]

I think it's a shame now that quag didnt join the wagon on me. That would have left me with a nice place for my vote. But since him not voting me actually makes him look quite good, I'm going to stick up for quag now in the voting department as well.

With reasoning like this available to vote against, I still can't understand why anyone would prefer to have their vote on Talitha

or

Quagmire. But by my count we're at:

3 Quagmire
3 Talitha
2 mepmuff
1 The_Machine86

...so some of us (and regretably probably those of us among the bottom two bandwagons) are going to have to move our votes. I still don't feel like I've seen anything so strong as to dissuade me from believing that mepmuff is the best candidate here, but I'll take another look at Quagmire and Talitha and see if I can come to a decision about who'll come in second in my disesteem.

[CaptainBlicero]

Yeah, why on Earth did people unvote mepmuff?

roleclaim coming within a few hours if I'm still on three votes than.

Since there's not even one post since my last, I'm not going to claim just yet. Nighty night all.

Well, here's what you've all been waiting for:

no claim as of yet

Can anyone explain why a pro-town role would act like this? In my experience, once a pro-town player decides to role-claim, they just role claim. After all, they don't have to plan, or strategize, or anything. They don't have to wait a few hours, or delay claiming, because they don't have to make anything up.

[Talitha]

Well, because it's not a good idea to claim on day 1? Unless you are in imminent danger of death?

I was actually happy that he chose not to claim, because at the time I didn't find him particularly scummy.

Heh, I'm having one of those

something isn't quite right here but I can't put my finger on what it is

moments. How frustrating.

[mepmuff]

With reasoning like this available to vote against, I still can't understand why anyone would prefer to have their vote on Talitha or Quagmire

What's wrong with that reasoning? I know I'm a good guy, I had my vote on quagmire who was under mild pressure in total and it would be really easy for him to put me under big pressure by voting for me, which he didn't. If quagmire is a bad guy, I can't see why he wouldn't. This puts him quite a bit in the clear as far as I'm concerned and I don't see how that reasoning is flawed.

I also think it's interesting to note that a bit more pressure on talitha results in both fuldu and the captain promoting their bandwagon against me some more.

[Astronaut]

...so some of us (and regretably probably those of us among the bottom two bandwagons) are going to have to move our votes.

I'm willing to move my vote, for two reasons.

1: My vote on The_Machine86 was little more than a gut feeling.
2:

I think it's a shame now that quag didnt join the wagon on me. That would have left me with a nice place for my vote. But since him not voting me actually makes him look quite good, I'm going to stick up for quag now in the voting department as well.

So the only reason you're not voting for him is because he isn't voting for you? If you really find him scummy, it would be a lot more helpful to town if you voted for him instead of waiting for him to vote you first. Not a good play IMHO.

unvote: The_Machine86, vote: mepmuff

I know, 3 votes each is hardly any better than 3-3-2-1, but I cannot see scummy behaviour from neither Quag nor Tally.

[Astronaut]

...so some of us (and regretably probably those of us among the bottom two bandwagons) are going to have to move our votes.

I'm willing to move my vote, for two reasons.

1: My vote on The_Machine86 was little more than a gut feeling.
2:

I think it's a shame now that quag didnt join the wagon on me. That would have left me with a nice place for my vote. But since him not voting me actually makes him look quite good, I'm going to stick up for quag now in the voting department as well.

So the only reason you're not voting for him is because he isn't voting for you? If you really find him scummy, it would be a lot more helpful to town if you voted for him instead of waiting for him to vote you first. Not a good play IMHO.

unvote: The_Machine86, vote: mepmuff

I know, 3 votes each is hardly any better than 3-3-2-1, but I cannot see scummy behaviour from neither Quag nor Tally.

[mepmuff]

So the only reason you're not voting for him is because he isn't voting for you? If you really find him scummy, it would be a lot more helpful to town if you voted for him instead of waiting for him to vote you first. Not a good play IMHO.

You're turning things around here. My vote was on quagmire. I unvoted because he didn't vote for me. Please get your facts straight.

[Astronaut]

Well, you're still saying that if he had voted for you, your vote still would be on him? My point remains the same.

[Jaguar]

My vote was on quagmire. I unvoted because he didn't vote for me.

That's the strangest statement ever. You didn't unvote him because you thought there was someone more deserving of your vote or because upin review you didn't find him all that suspicious after all. You unvoted him because he wasn't voting for you? So why did you vote for him in the first place? Just to follow the bandwagon? And what made another person a better target?

[mepmuff]

I unvoted him because the fact that he didn't vote for me made me believe he was a good guy. I've stated that before.

[CaptainBlicero]

Well, because it's not a good idea to claim on day 1? Unless you are in imminent danger of death?

You are correct that it is, in general, not a good idea to claim on Day One. I completely agree with you. However, that was not my point.

My point was this: Why would a pro-town role DECIDE to claim, and then not do it? Mepmuff didn't say "I won't claim on Day One... it's bad for the town." He didn't say: "I refuse to be claim based on the Captain's delusional paranoid ramblings!" He didn't say: "I will claim, but only if there's four votes on me."

What he said was this:

roleclaim coming within a few hours if I'm still on three votes than.

Yet, he did not do so. Methinks that he still hasn't thought up of a good claim.

For a pro-town player, role-claiming is a either-or proposition. Either you claim, or you don't. It's the easiest thing in the world to just say what role you got in your PM.
For mafia, it is a much more involved effort to come up with a role that is not likely to be in the game, but that is still believable. It is very difficult to do.

Is mepmuff's behavior more consistent with that of a pro-town player, who will avoid claiming as long as possible, but will then promptly reveal his role when he decides it is necessary? Or is it more consistent with that of a mafioso, who will promise a claim in hopes that the bandwaggoners lose interest, but will then stall and waffle in an attempt to come up with something believable?

I know where I stand on that question.

[Talitha]

Yeah, I see your point Capn... I'm just not sure I wouldn't do something like that myself as a pro-town. Dunno.

With Quag and myself seemingly at a stalemate now, and the game losing momentum, I'm willing to join the mepmuff bandwagon. Might as well see where it goes.

unvote: Quagscum, vote: mepmuff