Trouble in Haiti - the end: witch doctors and zombies win


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Trouble in Haiti - the end: witch doctors and zombies win

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:08 am

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Update: witch doctors and zombies win.


The living (6):

Arminger/Quiller
Cuban smoker
Leonidas/Quailman
Mole/Jesternl II
Roadbird (substitute)
Sugar/MeMe

The dead:

Captain Blicero (missionary, killed by voodoo doctors)
Jadesmar (medical student, killed by guerillas)
Bigfella (tourist, burnt by the mob)
mith (communist guerilla, killed by a magnum)
IS (voodoo doctor, killed by a magnum)
JDTAY/Jadesmar (Haitian, killed by guerillas)
The Accountant (Haitian, killed by a magnum)
Cadmium (Haitian, killed by strangulation)
Quercitron (voodoo doctor, burnt by the mob)
Dragon Slayer (Haitian, killed by guerillas)
Jeep (Haitian, killed by strangulation)
Doomcow (Doctor, killed by a magnum)
Muser (CIA, executed on Presidential orders)
Jesternl (Baby Doc, killed by guerillas)
Miriyami/Captain Blicero II (Secret Police, lynched)
Damelon (CIA agent, killed by voodoo doctors)
Corsato (Haitian, lynched)
Neo (Tourist, killed by guerillas)
Polotet (communist guerilla, lynched)
Discer (communist guerilla leader Che Guevara, lynched)
Angel Fish (Papa Doc, killed by guerillas)
Soothsayer (Tourist, killed by voodoo doctors)
Eillid/Trevize (Haitian, lynched)
Mackay/Jadesmar III (communist mole, killed by voodoo doctors)
Ningal/Amb (tourist, lynched)

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We left the game around here:

Three deaths in one night. Things are not looking good. Dragon slayer has been slain, by a machete. He was a humble Haitian. His compadre Jeep did not fare much better - you find him strangled. And finally, Doomcow has been killed by a magnum shot. This definitely is not good news - he was a doctor.

Shortly after day commecned, CIA agent Muser was shot - apparently executed on the Presidents' orders. On his body you find a magnum.


Ten to lynch. Please check you messenger before voting.

The living (18):

Angel Fish
Arminger/Quiller
Corsato
Cuban smoker
Damelon
Discer
Eillid
Jesternl
Leonidas/Quailman
Mackay
Miriyami/Captain Blicero II
Mole
Neo
Ningal/Capo Crimini
Polotet
Roadbird
Soothsayer
Sugar

The dead:

Captain Blicero (missionary, killed by voodoo doctors)
Jadesmar (medical student, killed by guerillas)
Bigfella (tourist, burnt by the mob)
mith (communist guerilla, killed by a magnum)
IS (voodoo doctor, killed by a magnum)
JDTAY/Jadesmar (Haitian, killed by guerillas)
The Accountant (Haitian, killed by a magnum)
Cadmium (Haitian, killed by strangulation)
Quercitron (voodoo doctor, burnt by the mob)
Dragon Slayer (Haitian, killed by guerillas)
Jeep (Haitian, killed by strangulation)
Doomcow (Doctor, killed by a magnum)
Muser (CIA agent, executed on the Presidents orders)

Ningal has been replaced by Capo Crimini.


Captain Blicero [2] takes over from Miriyami.


Page 13, for the first pages see the original thread, but parts of the last few weeks are gone.

Voting resumes, I am not counting any votes before the crash.

update: CS has been lynched, but not quiter successfully.
Last edited by Dragon Phoenix on Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:19 pm, edited 18 times in total.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:25 am

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vote: Damelon
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:41 am

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Well, as I'm sure some people saw my earlier defense it would be impractical for me to not present it again.

I am a CIA agent and I can kill if I want to. The first night, I did not as I had no information. The second night I shot mith (yay me!). The third night I tried to shoot someone but was unsuccessful. As they may be a haitian or whatever I'm not going to reveal who. (BTW DP I am missing that PM so if you could send me my choice I would be appreciative)
The fourth night I shot Doomcow (boo me). Obviously, my choices lately have not been so good (a probable innocent and a definite innocent). I will not make any more night kills unless asked to (like you want me to prove I can). BTW please note that I said I was suspicious of those I killed. I was trying to leave hints in case I needed it (like now.)

On a side note I am innocent in every game I am playing and in every game lynch mobs are forming against me. This never happens when I'm mafia. What's the deal?
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:47 am

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Thanks DP.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:05 am

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Damelon: what is your 'win' criteria?
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2002 12:54 pm

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Prevent the communist take over as well as any other disturbance. I basically read that to mean town win = I win
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2002 7:03 pm

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The President can execute people?

I can now tell you that it is indeed the President who gets my results, I didn't want to reveal that there WAS a President in case I got them in trouble. I am fairly certain I know who the President is.

I've lost the momentum of the game to tell you the truth, so I don't have much to say at the moment.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2002 10:31 pm

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So...as well as a President who can execute, at least two policemen and a chief of police, the ability to hide at night, and ?(two) doctors, the 'town' also have/had at least two roving CIA agents who could make a kill every night?

If I were a communist or a witch-doctor, I'd be howling a little about the unfairness of that.

So, possibly, the witch doctors & the communists have secret abilities we don't know about? (aside from the mysteriously controlled votes).

Alternatively, of course, our CIA agent is lying to us.

I'm concerned there's a whole level of this game we haven't considered.
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Tue Nov 19, 2002 10:32 pm

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double posting ot add: and missionaires, I forgot about the missionaries. We got those too.
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:52 am

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*useless post musing about ways the evil could balance the good*

I think it was Muser who said something, somewhere about zombies. This idea intrigues me, and I wonder about those having their votes controlled. Then again, they could just be having their votes controlled. But the fact that my police are disappearing but not dying indicates something deeper to me.

I don't suppose the CIA agents are my secret police? Naaaah. Forget I even said that. I would put my money on either the voodoo doctors or the commies having a spy or traitor out there somewhere, or even being able to recruit.

I can't think of what else could happen, but there's the vigilantes such as CIA agents getting unlucky and stuff, as well.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:34 am

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*cough* Doomcow *cough*
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:26 am

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What's the doomcow remark about? Doomcow is dead, killed by a magnum, so the CIA was apparently killing people on a nightly basis. Vigilante or evil? They're American agents - they must be good. :wink:
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2002 9:06 am

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Sigh. I have to learn to speak slowly, use que cards, small words, etc.

From the post just before mine
but there's the vigilantes such as CIA agents getting unlucky and stuff

Then I said
*cough* Doomcow *cough*


I was saying that yes, I was unlucky/unskilled.
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:03 pm

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So, I agreed to replace MiriYami, but when I went to check up on the thread, it was completely gone, so please correct me if I'm missing some vitally important information, but here's my crazy theory.

About the zombie thing... a big voodoo belief is that you can turn someone into a juju zombie by performing the correct spells, incantations, etc. Could it be possible that spooky-vote-controlled CS is really a mindless, serial killing juju zombie? Yes, he started out as a Haitian, but the whole point of juju zombies is that you TURN SOMEONE INTO ONE. You don't just find zombies lying around looking for work, or growing on trees. You grab someone who looked at you funny, you pull their brain out, do a whole bunch of wicked voodoo spells, and then you get em to kill people. CS could've been Mother friggin' Teresa at the start of the game, but after the doctors got their hands on him, guess what? Brraaaaiiiiins... BRAAAAAAIIINS.

Now, I could be COMPLETELY off-base and wrong, but since the strangulation deaths didn't start right away, and only Haitians have been killed, I think I may be onto something. After all, why set a Mafia game in Haiti and NOT use juju zombies? They're the coolest part of the culture.
So, I say
vote: CS


and please, please, please tell me if I've made some huge screw-up in logic.... I've read everything available, but there are still some big gaps.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:04 pm

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That's all very good reasoning, CB. But there really hasn't been that much evidence for zombies actually killing. And I'm clinging onto the hope that, if we kill all the voodoo doctors, the zombies will either return to normal or die.
I think there will be more desirable targets, but at the moment I can't think of any. If everyone wants to lynch zombies, then just say so and I will help, I guess. :)
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:08 pm

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OK, go with me here. This is my list of roles claimed/deduced etc.

Angel Fish -INNOCENT
Arminger/Quiller – CONTROLLED (secret Police)
Cuban smoker - CONTROLLED (Haitian)
Damelon - CIA Agent (?)
Eillid - INNOCENT
Mackay – Chief of Police
Mole - ? INNOCENT
Ningal/Capo Crimini - TOURIST
Roadbird - ?INNOCENT (Haitian, I presume)

No roles:

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Miriyami/Captain Blicero II
Corsato
Discer
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:09 pm

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I think we can be pretty sure about all of them bar mole and Roadbird, who have yet to prove their innocence.
Presumably, there’s at least one more tourist out there who knows Ningal is innocent, and there’s another Cop who should believe Mackay’s role.
That gives us a voting block of nine; enough to lynch.

Let’s do it; let’s just point fingers until we get results. Every living Haitian may knows the innocence of one other player, due to hiding there, each tourist can be identified by Ningal (frankly, if you haven’t renounced her yet, you must understand why we’d suspect you…). The cop can reveal who they investigated last night, if accused, and receive confirmation form mackay and/or the President. Etc etc. I don’t mind lynching the zombies, but I don’t think it will help. The strangulation, I thought, happened when a Haitian hid in the wrong house and got killed as well as his/her host.
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Wed Nov 20, 2002 11:10 pm

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A lot of the non-role claim players are not very active. I don't think this approach will work if we lynch silent players, since they’re unlikely to come out of the woodwork and defend themselves if innocent. (can we get them replaced instead?)

Hummm.
Any Idea? I shall start with
voting Quailman


Anyone know different? Anyone got a better scheme? A better suspect?

(multiple posts becuase I have this issue at work with connection time outs)
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:51 am

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I will start emailing the remaining players tonight (Europe time). We need to have a bit of patience after the crash....
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2002 4:14 am

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Anyone know different? Anyone got a better scheme? A better suspect?


As for a better suspect, there have to be several, but I can't name any. Sadly, the only person who's innocence I was certain of died during the day. I had referred to my belief in his innocence in the now-defunct thread. I didn't know he was CIA, though.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:29 am

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I'm still around, but I'm mulling things over right now. I'll come back with logic and a vote later.
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:15 pm

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What I want to know: Is the president good or bad?
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:46 pm

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How do we know there is secret police? We've gotten one commie and two voodoo docs....

I still think our police force has been infiltrated.....and I find it tough to think that two cops haven't found a blessed thing yet....

AF, i'd like to see you explain your deductions too...
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:49 pm

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I think my deductions are all pretty obvious. I believe Mackay, I think there are enough people out there who could contradict that role claim, if they chose - but they haven't. Where are our in investigative roles, if they are not the secret police?

IF you know Mackay is lying, tell us why/how you know.

I'm also a lot more likely to think that the president of Haiti and their secret police are on the side of the Haitians, than necessarily the CIA, or even the tourists.

Ellid and I benefited from a confirmation of our innocence a long time ago. Neither of us pointed it out; personally I was hoping people would have noticed it without me having to jump up and down and say "lookit me! Lookit me!".
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:50 pm

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CS, we have established, was probably a Haitian before he went all weird.
Mackay has 'lost' one of the secret police's results, this happened after CS got turned, but about the same time as Arminger/Quiller turned; since we've had no deaths form the secret police (unless they're kept secret), I presume that he is, indeed, the second policeman.

Ningal claims tourist, others belive her. I’m not 100% convinced, but frankly, it doesn't matter for the sake of this voting block scheme.

Roadbird assured that mole was innocent, thus hinting that he was a Haitian.

Have I gone wrong with the logic somewhere?

So…
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