Mini 201 - Game Over!

[Blackberry]

I also advise someone take their vote off my so we can have more discussion and people can understand my logic.

If mafia and SK aren't already on me, they can simply vote me and end the day...

[HezLucky]

I only believe Yanqush at this point.

Blackberry/Phoebus - one is scum, one is not
vikingfan/Someone - one is scum, one is not
Yanqush - cleared by everyone
HezLucky - innocent, I know ... I can't prove it to you in any way though as I don't really have a night action ... Leave this for tomorrow though.

I am not voting until I feel comfortable with a vote on a person ... something which is not the case. I don't want a lynch, I want as much info as possible.

So if you get a quick lynch it's going to be because of Someone and not me.

[HezLucky]

Basically, here's how I see the game:

MAFIA, SERIAL KILLER, VIGILANTE, DOCTOR, TWO OTHER ROLES

Scenario 1:
Mafia/Serial Killer/Vigilante (in some order): Blackberry/Phoebus/Someone
Doctor/One Alternate Role: Yanqush/Hez
Roleblocker/Other Alternate Role: viking

Scenario 2:
Mafia/Serial Killer/Vigilante (in some order): Blackberry/Phoebus/Viking
Doctor/Alternate Roles: Yanqush/Hez/Someone

Yes, you could probably come up with a scenario that puts me up top somewhere but I'm writing this to help myself and considering myself up top when I know I'm not simply doesn't help me in figuring out what's going on.

So yeah, Yanqush is fine. He's either doctor or another role, depending on what you believe I am. Viking's role will be interesting too ... whether he's pro-town or not.

[HezLucky]

Oh, and with 6 alive ...

If we lynch correctly here, I suggest the vigilante kill no one and we have a no lynch next time around.

[vikingfan]

Agreed, Hez-we should make sure we have another day. If we lynch mafia(hypothetically), we could have 3 kills the next night, bringing us down to 2, which means the game would be over and one of the 3 sides would have won, which would have reduced the win for any side to chance, pretty much. Not very satisfactory. Go into night and then have a no-lynch as Hez recommends.

Unvote Blackberry

in the interest of gaining more info.

It's clear to everyone that I'm a roleblocker, so you can put that into your info collector-some just disagree on my allegiance, though like everyone else(except Yanqush) I'm unable to prove I'm protown.

I can't accept Scenario 2-while it's certainly possible I'm mafia, making me the roleblocker AND a vig/SK doesn't fit any game I've ever run across. I would edit that to (from your point of view):

SK/Vig: Phoebus/Blackberry
Possible Mafia: Viking/Someone
Doc/other role: Yanqush, HezLucky.

I still find it interesting that you're so willing to accept the idea of 2 scum- I still think 3 scum is a possibility, in which case, I'll outline Scenario 3.

SK/Vig: Phoebus/Blackberry
2 out of 3: Viking, Someone, HezLucky
Cleared: Yanqush

Personally, from my standpoint, it's one of these.

Scenario 4
Mafia/SK-Vig-Phoebus/Blackberry(I'm still holding the option open of one being mafia. I don't know for sure, but I don't want to reject anything offhand)
Possible Scum: Hez/Someone.
Roleblocker: Viking
Cleared: Yanqush

BTW, I do still likely agree that we probably have 2 scum-I'm just leaving the option open that we have 3.

Is there anything I'm missing?

[vikingfan]

Also, the hypothetical in the first sentence assumes 3 scum-something I don't know for sure but am assuming worst-case scenario. If it's only 2 scum left over, then no matter what happens, we're going to have another day.

[Yanqush]

Unvote: Blackberry

rethink.

I meant "where did Blackberry hinted "another" person as vig?" (@phoebus)
if vig did nothing N1 Someone not sk.

got crude plan.

[HezLucky]

Crude plan?

Is it worth telling at this point?

[Someone]

I'm actually inclined to believe Blackberry as vig. I don't know about you guys, but the fact that he claimed first just does something for me.

Just throwing this out there, don't lynch me for it, but is no-lynch an option? If we only have two scum left...

This seems to be the general concensus:

Phoebus/Blackberry- Scum/innocent
Viking-Roleblocker
Yanqush-Cleared
HezLucky-Mafia/innocent
Someone-Mafia/innocent

Now, I see how viking is slightly cleared. But how is yanqush?

And can somebody outline the Blackberry over Phoebus for scum logic?

[HezLucky]

I can't outline the Blackberry over Phoebus for scum logic because I do not have an opinion on that.

But Yanqush is cleared because:
there were 3 kills last night
vikingfan blocked yanqush
hence, yanqush didn't make one of these kills
therefore, yanqush has a non-killing role

This is all negated if the SK cannot be blocked but LET'S USE OCKHAM'S RAZOR WHY DON'T WE.

[Someone]

...unless he part of a two-person scum group...

But yeah, for all intents and purposes we can assume he's town. However, we lynch scum tonight, and there are still two kills, we can't discount the fact that yanqush is not completely cleared.

[Yanqush]

I oppose no-lynch.
2 die tonight.
Lynch scum tomorrow.
Another die night after.
RIP town.

After rethink, plan won't work. Say anyway, next post.

[HezLucky]

...unless he part of a two-person scum group...

But yeah, for all intents and purposes we can assume he's town. However, we lynch scum tonight, and there are still two kills, we can't discount the fact that yanqush is not completely cleared.

And that's why the vig shouldn't touch his gun tonight.

[vikingfan]

Well, it should be noted that if we lynch incorrectly-i.e. the real vig- I know then to roleblock the false one, which will cut us down to one kill tonight (the non-vig-claiming scum). Regardless, the scum among Phoebus/blackberry will go down either today or tomorrow.

[HezLucky]

Kickbutt!

..unless you are the scum.

But if you aren't, kickbutt!

[vikingfan]

Kickbutt!

..unless you are the scum.

But if you aren't, kickbutt!

What are you talking about? Are you encouraging the plan of roleblocking the false vig if we lynch incorrectly?

[HezLucky]

6 alive now
5 alive by night with 2 killers
4 alive tomorrow with 2 killers
3 alive by night with 1 killer
2 alive and we lose

damn

trying to no lynch:
6 alive now:
viking blocks one of them and sees how many kills there are, 1-2 kills this night
and we are left with 3-4 alive by night with 1 killer ... the 4 is interesting.

Either way, it depends on us lynching or viking blocking...

So we have to lynch correctly here.

Alternative: Vote no lynch and have the vigilantes kill each other.

Let's let the scum who claimed vigilante be known as "scumvig"
Let the scum who didn't claim vigilante be known as "scum"

Assume "scumvig" doesn't plya along and kills someone other than the vig.
Worst case we are left with: vig, scum and two others (choosing from some combination of doctor,lucky and viking)
Best case he kills the scum and we win:

Assume the "scumvig" does play along and kills the vig...
Assuming scum kills someone different, we enter endgame with three people; one of which is mafia.

Does anyone see any problems with the bolded strategy above?

[vikingfan]

I don't like the plan- the vig role is too valuable to be thrown away like that, especially when we already have at least a 50% chance of nailing the real scum today. I'd rather lynch today, if we lynch wrong, I block the real scum, and we only have 1 kill. Then we have 5 left the next day. Lynch the real scum, one kill again, and we're down to 3 and then the game will end no matter what happens.

[HezLucky]

You're wrong.

We have 4 left the next day.

Look again.

[vikingfan]

Ah, OK, 4 left. In that case, it gets hard since we would have 2 scum left-though we'd know one for sure. Hmm- that can get a little tricky, but we still have potential for no deaths that night anyway-either through A)doc protecting, or B)roleblocking. but yeah, that's too risky, especially since the scum can easily pick me or the doc off to partially eliminate those odds.

There is another thought. No-lynching, even with 4 people and 2 scum, and hope for cross killing. But that gets a little too unsatisfactory for all involved-it reduces the game to mere chance as to who gets killed.

Hmm, maybe your plan is better.

[vikingfan]

Or here's another scenario.

We lynch scum correctly, one nightkill. 4 left.
No-lynch. 3 left. We should then have a good idea of who the last scum is through either doc-protecting or roleblocking.

[Blackberry]

* If we lynch Phoebus, who I know to be scum at the moment, he will turn up sk/mafia. Then you all will be able to trust me.

Then I would prefer protection tonite. If I holster my gun... then we will only have one kill tonite. We will wake up with four... I think viking should block Hez, thus prooving his innocence. Therefore if anyone dies we can conclude Someone is the last mafia/SK (Because Yanqush and Hez would have both been blocked and therefore Someone must be a MAFIA who didn't make the kill Night 1). If no one dies then it would conclude that HezLucky is the SK/Mafia

OR

we can conclude that the mafia simply didn't want to implicate themselves and gives us a day with 5 players, with atleast one scum down, which I think would be a good move at this moment. This way mafia can't make a kill tonite.


* If Phoebus turned out vig then the opposing scum can simply shoot me, and vah-la, I am dead.

[HezLucky]

I like my no lynch plan better viking.

Your plan relies on us picking the right one.

50-50 shot.

I also don't like Blackberry's plan

because that assumes vikingfan isn't an evil roleblocker.

[vikingfan]

Alrighty then.

Vote nolynch

[HezLucky]

Alright. I'll

Vote: No Lynch

as well since it was my idea...

TO BLACKBERRY: If you are vigilante, kill Phoebus tonight.
TO PHOEBUS: If you are vigilante, kill Blackberry tonight.