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[Infinity 324]

is it that hard to make balanced constructed-playable cards that they have to make "strictly" better basics

[Ythan]

"strictly" better basics

My mind went straight to those beautiful lands when I read this.

[Infinity 324]

lmao i meant the legendary land cycle but that works too

[Isis]

play LoR Iguess

[Ythan]

Hybrid Phyrexian mana lol.

[Isis]

I think it's a pretty cringey design. Kind of an Ajani Vengeant rehash. The two loyalty counters aren't a meaningful incentive because doing a curve with a 5 defending a planeswalker is going to be way better than a curve with a 4 defending a planeswalker. It seems like a failure to address what the issue with Phyrexian mana is.

Combining the unleash mechanic with Phyrexian mana with unleash is what I'd do if I was designing a set and I was told I needed to bring back Phyrexian mana even though it was a problematic banfest. This is the -opposite- of that.

[Ythan]

I also kinda hate "compleated"

[Ythan]

Secluded Courtyard is like an auto include in a tribal deck.
https://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoile ... courtyard/

[Ythan]

Spoiler:

"Seb McKinnon"

[Isis]

Cavern of souls is much stronger

[Isis]

Maybe you play both but ancient ziggurat is already a card too.

Activated abilities are surprisingly rare

[Infinity 324]

it's just another unclaimed territory for edh

-james

[Isis]

I like james

[Ythan]

I guess I never really thought about the synergy of fetch lands and dual lands with basic land types and how you can get any color of mana you want from a fetch land by fetching a dual land that combines what you can fetch and what you need.

[Infinity 324]

imo commander is an absurdly good format when decks are roughly evenly matched, but 70+% of commander games ive played have had quite a large deck power level gap for various reasons.

[Ythan]

Just learned of these absurd full text lands and got a chuckle.
https://cdn-prod.scalefast.com/public/a ... 920_KR.png

[Infinity 324]

i don't get why they put mill randomly on cards. like https://mtgrocks.com/wp-content/uploads ... isdom1.jpg

presumably you're playing this in a shrine deck, so you're playing this with a bunch of other cards that don't care about mill. so either your deck is built around this card specifically or you're playing a regular damage card in your infect deck basically. what?

plus if they kill this then they're probably not getting milled out, so you were actually giving them an advantage that whole time...i really don't get it

-jordan

[Ythan]

Someone like me will play it because it's any mill card and has dope art.

[Isis]

The shrines are designed for limited. People win from mill from permanents that mill 2 cards per turn all the time when there are forty cards in the starting deck. You could raise some questions about whether incidental mill is fun in limited, but I'd be shocked if the blue shrine isn't draftable.

[Infinity 324]

The shrines are designed for limited. People win from mill from permanents that mill 2 cards per turn all the time when there are forty cards in the starting deck. You could raise some questions about whether incidental mill is fun in limited, but I'd be shocked if the blue shrine isn't draftable.

i'd be shocked if it was at all playable in limited honestly. limited games just don't last ~13 turns anymore.

also i think jordan just dislikes the conflict of mill vs damage, it's like either you should probably focus on milling by attacking with creatures or the mill card is the most important card and the game revolves around whether your opponent can remove it

-ace

[Infinity 324]

what do you think of the new kamigawa?

i like it for commander (a couple commons fit in my decks actually), as for the other formats i havent thought about them much and would have to play with the cards, i think it has us slightly more excited than the average set

-ace+sonya

[Infinity 324]

The shrines are designed for limited. People win from mill from permanents that mill 2 cards per turn all the time when there are forty cards in the starting deck. You could raise some questions about whether incidental mill is fun in limited, but I'd be shocked if the blue shrine isn't draftable.

i'd be shocked if it was at all playable in limited honestly. limited games just don't last ~13 turns anymore.

also i think jordan just dislikes the conflict of mill vs damage, it's like either you should probably focus on milling by attacking with creatures or the mill card is the most important card and the game revolves around whether your opponent can remove it

-ace

and you have to pay 1 for it each time too. like you spend 7 mana over the course of the game on this and then your opponent kills it with 15 cards left in deck? no thanks

-jordan

[Ythan]

Dramatist's Puppet doubles counters on target permanent and is colorless rather than simic that's fun.

[Infinity 324]

it only lets you add one counter unfortunately

[Ythan]

Oh for each KIND of counter that's boring

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