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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:41 am

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In post 69, Cybele wrote:What about the requests to change the order of penalties? You don't think there's merit to that?



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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:56 am

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In post 98, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 97, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Meaning you can PM someone without giving them an extra 24 hours.


Normally I'd agree with this, but there's always the chance that the person forgot about the game, so the PM reminder + 24 hours gives them a chance to come in and make the rule.

@Packbat:
Who gets the points? Just the rule proposer or the people who yes + rule proposer?


The relevant rules are:

202.
A player's turn consists of two parts in this order: (1) proposing one rule-change and having it voted on, and (2) adding a number of points to their score. The number of points added shall be calculated by subtracting 291 from the ordinal number of their proposal and multiplying the result by the fraction of favorable votes it received, rounded to the nearest integer.
(This yields a number between 0 and 10 for the first player, with the upper limit increasing by one each turn; more points are awarded for more popular proposals.)


205. If and when rule-changes can be adopted without unanimity, first, the players who vote against winning proposals shall receive 10 points each, and second, the players who fail to explicitly vote on a proposal before close of voting shall lose 5 points and have their votes placed in favor.

207. When a proposed rule-change is defeated, the player who proposed it loses 10 points.


202 gives points to whosever turn it is. 205 gives points to voters. 207 gives points to whoever proposed the rule-change, which I read as also the player whose turn it is, but if you want to invoke Judgment, that's fine.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:01 am

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OK then, I had only noticed 202.
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:12 am

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They all contain the word "points" - that's how I found them.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:14 am

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Super belated reply!

In post 57, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Isn't there a limit to the number of rules that can be established?


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At no time may there be more than 25 mutable rules.

There are presently thirteen.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:21 am

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UNVOTE:

I would vote in favor of the following:

Each player has twenty-four (24) hours from the start of their turn to propose a new rule. In the event that a player does not propose a rule in that time, they are prodded. In the event that they still have not proposed a rule change after another twenty-four (24) hours, their turn shall be skipped. Upon a single player's turn being skipped for the third time by the action of this rule, they lose and are removed from the player list. This rule takes precedence over Rule 201.


You can play with the timing and the wording, but I want prods before skips and at least 48 hours to post a rule.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:31 am

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Eh. That works I guess.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:49 am

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Do you want to change the wording to that?
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:49 am

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Sure.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:54 am

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Crap, it just occurred to me that that might not be allowd.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:55 am

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111. If a rule-change as proposed is unclear, ambiguous, paradoxical, or destructive of play, or if it arguably consists of two or more rule-changes compounded or is an amendment that makes no difference, or if it is otherwise of questionable value, then the other players may suggest amendments or argue against the proposal before the vote. A reasonable time must be allowed for this debate. The proponent decides the final form in which the proposal is to be voted on
and, unless the Judge has been asked to do so, also decides the time to end debate and vote.

It sounds to me like voting happens strictly
after
debate from that rule. Am I reading it wrong?
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:12 am

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No, I'm reading it like that as well. Propose, debate, adjust, vote.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:42 am

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Well, whatever, then.

VOTE: Yea

From now on, it would probably be a good idea to wait on calling for a real vote for a while. Maybe do some straw polls, but that's it.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:27 pm

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Packbat wrote:
Each player has twenty-four (24) hours from the start of their turn to propose a new rule. In the event that a player does not propose a rule in that time, they are prodded. In the event that they still have not proposed a rule change after another twenty-four (24) hours, their turn shall be skipped. Upon a single player's turn being skipped for the third time by the action of this rule, they lose and are removed from the player list. This rule takes precedence over Rule 201.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:46 pm

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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:03 pm

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In post 113, Cybele wrote:This is the new version that we're voting on?

Not unless a Judge so rules - by my interpretation of the rules, given that voting has begun, it is too late to impose further revisions.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:10 pm

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Than I'll keep the vote at
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:11 pm

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Do we have to revote?
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:14 pm

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:/

I give you guys what you want and you still vote no.

THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I WAS FIGHTING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:16 pm

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Hey, I don't make the...

...

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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:17 pm

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The reasons I'm still voting no is because we're stuck voting on the original, still. Look at my last two posts, and the posts in-between. Like, actually read them.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:36 pm

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Also, Rule 212. If you want, you can refer the matter to Judgment and have Xalxe rule.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:00 pm

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I'm so lost. Which bill,
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:01 pm

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Oh, and Ani

In post 99, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 75, Lord Mhork wrote:Well, ani, 48 is just cleaner. Occasionally I spend a whole day away from the website


Also, a question for Mhork:

Do you play mafia? Under current site meta, this is practically lurking.


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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:02 pm

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If, as I suspect, the bill cannot be revised after being put up for vote:

301: Each player has twenty-four (24) hours from the start of their turn to propose a new rule. In the event that a player does not propose a rule in their turn, their turn is skipped the first time. The second time, they are prodded and have an extra twenty-four (24) hours, and is skipped at the end of the time. The third time, they are eliminated. This rule takes precedence over Rule 201.
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