NomicScum, Game 2

[jackofspades]

kcddaspot, you you please explain your comments made about the point structure. i dont understand what youre implying

[JDGA]

The number of points earned is based on the proposal. If the rule number doesn't update to the number of the proposal then the proposal number would presumably therefore be that of the rule being amended, which would therefore cause it to earn negative points. No one wants negative points.

[jackofspades]

The number of points earned is based on the proposal. If the rule number doesn't update to the number of the proposal then the proposal number would presumably therefore be that of the rule being amended, which would therefore cause it to earn negative points. No one wants negative points.

I disagree.

The number of the proposal will always be one higher than the last proposal as per...

108. Each proposed rule-change shall be given a number for reference. The numbers shall begin with 301, and each rule-change proposed in the proper way shall receive the next successive integer, whether or not the proposal is adopted.

The way I see it, if amended rules retain their numbers, then at turn 100, examples of a proposal could be:

Proposal 400: I propose a new rule where X must happen to Y for Z to occur...

Proposal 400: I propose to amend rule 206 to read....

Proposal 400: I propose to repeal rule 301

Proposal 400: I propose to transmute rule 107

My point is that regardless of which rule a rule-change refers to, the proposal number will

always

be 400, and therefore the player who makes proposal 400 is entitled to up to 109 points if it passes.
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Keep in mind that I'm only proposing to transmute rule 108. Any future proposals to amend this rule can be discussed later to ensure that the point structure is maintained and any other issues can be addressed.

[Robotnick2]

Our voting system's still supermajority, isn't it?

[jackofspades]

nope. its unanimous for the first two rounds, then simple majority if im not mistaken

[Kcdaspot]

i'm Naying this. what about low number proposals? where we are right now?

[Robotnick2]

nope. its unanimous for the first two rounds, then simple majority if im not mistaken

Aye, I meant that. Matching words to definitions isn't my strong point.

In which case, if anyone else votes Nay, I'll vote nay - I'm not sure about it, but I don't want to be the only one blocking the ascent.

[Feirei]

So, instead of taking my "That'll work." two-three pages ago as a declaration of putting it up to vote (there is no rule regarding it requiring boldface!) and voting for it there, you decide to instead boot me and continue to require unanimous votes for a potential forever? You guys are jerks!

[JDGA]

(There's nothing in 302 that forbids you from rejoining the current game )

[Robotnick2]

(There's nothing in 302, but there is a clause in 114 - "No person may join the player list of a game from which they have been removed.")

Also, CSL, yo make a valid point, however it was not clear that you were indeed bringing it to vote, nor was that the intention at the time, now was it?

[jackofspades]

i'm Naying this. what about low number proposals? where we are right now?

I'm not sure what youre asking. Can you elaborate pls?

Guys, I really don't think there's anything problematic with my suggested proposal. But I don't want to put it up for vote if its not gonna find favor. Does anyone have any suggestions/ideas on rules to propose?

[Robotnick2]

Guys, I really don't think there's anything problematic with my suggested proposal. But I don't want to put it up for vote if its not gonna find favor. Does anyone have any suggestions/ideas on rules to propose?

Hmm. You could try a simple-majority amendment, if you'd like?

[jackofspades]

Proposal 304

Amend Rule 204 to read: A rule-change is adopted if and only if a simple majority of eligible voters vote for its adoption.

Any thoughts on this guys?

Here is the original rule:

204. A rule-change is adopted if and only if the vote is unanimous among the eligible voters. If this rule is not amended by the end of the second complete circuit of turns, it automatically changes to require only a simple majority.

[Feirei]

jack, I believe another wording of it can be found a few pages back. Probably could iso Packbat, maybe it'll show up...

EDIT:

Trying to word a proposal requiring only a simple majority (51% of votes or more) to pass a proposition, but I find myself unable to word it properly. Help?

Amend 204 to read: "A rule-change is adopted if and only if it receives support from a simple majority (greater than 50%) of eligible voters.

[Kcdaspot]

i'm okay with this.

[jackofspades]

thanks feirei, is everyone else ok with packbat's wording?

[Robotnick2]

I'm okay with it, but it does have the unfortunate consequence of a tie causing the bill to lose.

[Feirei]

That's because you asses removed me. Good things that Judgement can be passed by the previous player to break ties......oh wait!

[Robotnick2]

We have 5 players at the moment, with the addition of JDGA. Not too sure what you meant by that second sentence?

[jackofspades]

I'm gonna

put it to a vote

guys

Proposal 304

: Amend 204 to read: "A rule-change is adopted if and only if it receives support from a simple majority (greater than 50%) of eligible voters.

Vote: Aye

[Kcdaspot]

VOTE: si

[Packbat]

Sorry about the radio silence - the huge interruption to the power interrupted my flow, and I'm having trouble getting it going again. Prod me tomorrow.

[JDGA]

VOTE: Aye

[Packbat]

I'm sorry: what's the current player list?

[JDGA]

I don't know!