Mini 1351 - Game Over

[Oso]

@Oso: I didn't notice at the time. When I looked at the Tangion votes all names but Tangion's were bolded in the OP, for all I know IS could have confirmed by PM already.

There was ample evidence in the tread that Internet Stranger HAD NOT confirmed at the time of my vote, independent of the OP.

VOTE: Internet Stranger

Your avatar scared my cat.

/confirm

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As to Tangion's votes, you realize they are both RVS votes, right? First post both of them made less than a day after the game has started. Between those two players there is a grand total of 3 posts right now.

So here we have a player that is using the game state at the time of his post here:

I feel that just /confirming is a lot different than RVSing.
What I'm wondering is what the votes on Tangion are meant to accomplish since he hasn't even confirmed to the mod yet.

Confirms that is what the state was here:

@Oso: I didn't notice at the time.

When I looked at the Tangion votes all names but Tangion's were bolded in the OP

, for all I know IS could have confirmed by PM already.

Alive players:
1.

Code_X

2.

Echo

3.

McStab

4.

ChaosOmega

5.

Guttersnipe

6.

Internet Stranger

7.

Tebow

8.

Oso

9.

TvK

10.

Axxle

11. Tangion

*Denotes a prod

Bolded players have confirmed

To basically manufacture a suspicion based off two RVS votes and using a part of the game state (Confirmed Players) from slightly later in the game to make it look scum motivated.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Axxle

[Axxle]

In your opinion, this 'very minor' thing is more minor that Oso ignoring my question?

Well I don't mind the first vote, but Echo's second vote on him is at about the same level.

@Oso: Different mods have different methods of confirming. For all I know IS could have confirmed by PM before the day started, and then by replay after it started. Also your one vote on IS doesn't stand out as much as two votes on Tangion, one following the other.

[Internet Stranger]

Eh, I'm just waiting for RVS to end at this point. No one has said anything interesting yet.

[Tebow]

RVS doesn't end by itself.

[Axxle]

Eh, I'm just waiting for RVS to end at this point. No one has said anything interesting yet.

Including you...

[Echo]

Also your one vote on IS doesn't stand out as much as two votes on Tangion, one following the other.

It was a random vote, and there was no reason for me to expect Tangion not to confirm and post soon after I made my post. I was already a day late to the start of the game.

[Code_X]

Axxle's argument against the Tangion random votes just seems like trying to stir shit for the sake of stirring shit. Manufacturing cases out of thin air if you like.

[Axxle]

I admit it's weak, I even said as much, but we don't have much besides votes do we? I've only played two games on this site, and one I replaced in, so I don't have a lot of experience with RVS.

[McStab]

I admit it's weak, I even said as much, but we don't have much besides votes do we? I've only played two games on this site, and one I replaced in, so I don't have a lot of experience with RVS.

We have people's reactions too.

Unvote, Vote: Axxle

[Echo]

I admit it's weak, I even said as much, but we don't have much besides votes do we?

Imo Oso's case on you is just as weak, but it's still better than yours. Because if it's true then you're both lying and have no leg to stand on for your case.

[Iknal]

Current VoteCount 1.1:
Code_X - 0 - No-one
Echo - 0 - No-one
McStab - 0 - No-one
ChaosOmega - 0 - No-one
Guttersnipe - 0 - No-one
Internet Stranger - 0 - No-one
Tebow - 1 - TvK
Oso - 3 - ChaosOmega, Tebow, Axxle
TvK - 1 - Code_X
Axxle - 3 - Guttersnipe, Mcstab, Oso
Tangion - 1 - Echo

Not voting - 2 - Internet Stranger, Tangion
With 11 alive it takes 6 to Lynch

Seeking a replacement for Tangion now

[Psyduck]

Announcement incoming

[Iknal]

Spot taken by Psyduck, effective immediately

[Psyduck]

MAGIC

[TvK]

Well, yeah, it would be stupid to say what you're expecting him to do. But why not just say that with your first post? And you seem a bit over-defensive with your random vote.

TvK: was that vote random?

Yup.

Also your one vote on IS doesn't stand out as much as two votes on Tangion, one following the other.

It was a random vote, and there was no reason for me to expect Tangion not to confirm and post soon after I made my post. I was already a day late to the start of the game.

Your vote is still on him. Hasn't anyone said something voteworthy yet?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Echo

[Echo]

Yes it is. I don't see a problem with that.

[Guttersnipe]

I admit it's weak, I even said as much, but we don't have much besides votes do we? I've only played two games on this site, and one I replaced in, so I don't have a lot of experience with RVS.

We have people's reactions too.

Unvote, Vote: Axxle

Unvote: Axxle

Vote: McStab

Coming out of lurk to jump on a potential wagon with no real reason just kinda rubs me the wrong way

[Tebow]

The McStab vote does strike me as scummy on a gut level.

Re: Axxle's point against the Tangion voters, it's basically good. In RVS all you can really look for is who's trying to move things along. Of course it's somewhat contrived, nearly all page one votes are unless someone claims in their first post or something. But voting for someone who hasn't even confirmed can't possibly draw a reaction, which makes it especially useless, ergo slightly scummy.

For Oso's case to be true, then Axxle ignored a potential argument against

the player he was actually voting

in order to query the actions of two other players, but not vote them. How is that consistent with someone who is 'manufacturing suspicion?' If Axxle is just reaching for something to attack anyone with, why would he deliberately ignore something done by

the player he is already attacking?

Can't you see that this is the entire point of the IS strategy? Allow someone with actual town motive to make the running and try to find something marginally better than random to vote on, then watch as someone else sees that as a 'reach' and therefore thinks

that

is the first marginally better than random thing to attack. Ergo, the result is an argument with the players in the crosshairs of either side being someone that isn't IS. He's being rewarded for deliberate lurking.

Unvote, vote: Internet Stranger

[Oso]

For Oso's case to be true, then Axxle ignored a potential argument against the player he was actually voting in order to query the actions of two other players, but not vote them. How is that consistent with someone who is 'manufacturing suspicion?' If Axxle is just reaching for something to attack anyone with, why would he deliberately ignore something done by the player he is already attacking?

Axxle ignored it because it wasn't a pattern like the two random votes on an unconfirmed player could be made to seem like.

As for attacking me, are you serious? He wasn't attacking. He was piling on a 3 vote wagon with a shit reason. Of all the votes that were made on me the first three initially just looked like your typical early game wagon. "Oso wagon is full of win"....."I can get behind an Oso wagon" type of thing. Of the 4 votes that were made on that wagon, only the reason you stated in a couple of later posts Tebow, could be considered a 'serious' one. There was at least some reasoning and thought behind it.

The manufacturing part comes from using two random votes to make it seem like there is something hinkey going on. He doesn't even make a vote there. He just throws it out with a basic, "Hey guys, look at this. What do you think?"(paraphrase of Post #40). No elaboration on why he personally thinks it might be scummy or even just a bit off. He wants other folks to tell him.

[ChaosOmega]

IS is being actively useless and avoiding action in the early game, where scum feel least comfortable, McStab jumps on the Axxle bandwagon at an opportune time with iffy reasoning, and I still don't have great feeling about Oso. Too bad I'm not a triplevoter.

Well, maybe voting him will give IS something to talk about.

unvote, vote: Internet Stranger

Also,

V/LA until Saturday evening.

[Axxle]

Just took a look through IS's past games and it does seem like he has an active hatred of RVS and thus has a habit of being inactive as both town and scum until it's over. A very annoying meta to have.

Unvote: Oso

He's trying to help get us out of RVS, although most of it is retaliatory against me, I don't find that scummy enough to keep my vote here.

@Code_X: Why the vote on TVK?

[Tebow]

Axxle, if Oso making effort to get out of RVS makes him unworthy of a vote, and IS not making any effort to get out of it is scummy but rendered null by his meta, who is worthy of a vote?

I hate RVS. I therefore try to end it ASAP. Not voting doesn't help.

[Axxle]

@Code_X: Why the vote on TVK?

Ah, the dangers of iso. Didn't see that the vote was while TVK had only RVS'ed

I hate RVS. I therefore try to end it ASAP. Not voting doesn't help.

Valid point.

Vote: Echo

What are your thoughts on players right now? Most of what you've posted so far is just justifying your RVS vote.

[Ellibereth]

Watching y'all "theorize" and such on the early game is quite amusing.

Chaosy, what is an

opportune time

to jump on a wagon.

[Psyduck]

...and I alt slip from post fucking one, fucking hilarious

Watching y'all "theorize" and such on the early game is quite amusing.

Chaosy, what is an

opportune time

to jump on a wagon.