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GB 936 wrote:RC knew his only chance today was pushing against us and a fuckload of what he just said is literally blatant bullshit. In the middle of a family gathering though so I'll elaborate on it all in a little bit, probably an hour or two.
Before getting into any of the more meaty segments, I want to start by saying this sort of tone sounds very odd coming from Reg. I don't know if any of you have the same experience playing with him that I do, but I do know that he's pretty cool, collected, and level-headed. This sort of over-the-top outburst is generally not what I'd expect from him. So, I mean, right off the bat (and it's not every really right off the bat given that I've had these feelings through a lot of the game as he was trying to run up F-16 but I never really acted on them so there's no evidence I can point to for that), he's coming on too strong and too emotional. This is not what I'd expect of townReg.
GB 938 wrote:Also reading either us or F-16 or literally anything that's happened in this game should make it abundantly obvious that we're town.
You're not incapable of bussing, Reg. Nice try. That said, I'm not even sold you were bussing. My case doesn't rely on you being Mafia (like yours against me does). I think you could be either scum or an SK (although it's more likely you're the former... it doesn't make as much sense for you to shoot F-16 as SK, I think, but a case can be made).
As to your case. There's little I can address with regard to C+B and F-16. They had their interactions with me. I have no control over what they may or may not have said, just as GB has no control over Senjai's attempts at distancing from G+B that I pointed out in posts 163 and 256. So, I mean, that's definitely a wash.
As to my interactions with F-16, he was pretty middle-of-the-road with me. I think that much is apparent. GB is trying to make it all out like I was planning some elaborate scheme to keep F-16 at just the perfect distance, but the truth is never that complicated. I have no problems bussing my teammates, and I have no problems agreeing with my teammates in scum games. I don't need, nor do I try, to tiptoe around them. The truth is, I always had bigger suspects than him, and around the time that I was really committed to actually pushing for his lynch, he claimed a Cop. That claim seemed very reasonable to me, and I made it clear earlier that I expected this town would have more power than had already been revealed. I was reluctant to hammer based on that. I made my reservations of that known. If anything, I was worried GB was being a little "too sure" that F-16 was scum.
In any case, GB's case can be broken down into two things: what others have had to say about me (which Senjai/F-16 are just as guilty of), and that F-16 and I have had a massive conspiracy going on this whole game. I can assure you that this just isn't the case. I don't do scum half-assed, as GB would suggest here. I'm very deliberate and calculating, not wishy-washy. I have had trouble reading F-16 in previous games. I just finished a game where I was wrong when I called him scum very fervently. I'm still smarting from that game a bit. Right or wrong, it makes me more reluctant to push on F-16. This is Occum's Razor at work, folks. This is not a performance I would turn in with F-16 as my partner... but GB's arguments get worse from here.
GB 945 wrote:there was pretty obviously no intention of "drawing a night kill" but rather an attempt to save your own ass from a lynch by softing a PR.
That happened, sure, but this is a red herring. I have consistently hinted at having a power, but that was just my most blatant move. I also laid it out there about having additional investigative roles. I have always wanted myself associated with scum thinking that I had a power. I did a poor job apparently, but it doesn't make it any less true.
GB 945 wrote:His reaction at the end of the last day phase also seems to come from the perspective of someone who knows our alignment.
You're reading way too much into it for your own benefit. Again, I can point out examples in his ISO of him calling you, Emp, and N town. The only person that I think 4nx really supported strongly throughout the game was plan B. Hell, just reading his last two posts you can tell that 4nx was frustrated with you and the way you'd been going about the game. It definitely does not give the impression that he was certain of GB as town:
- 4nx 892 wrote:really... now... ? if things don't go your way, you have a tantrum...
4nx 894 wrote:seriously fuck that noise reg, i wanted to hammer nost a week ago and waited paitently because you asked. i even took the time to write out a fucking wall because you asked. and now you tell me to fuck off and say you're not going to play because we might've lynched wrong...
As frustrated as he was with you, he would've bit his tongue here. This is not the last impression a Weak Doctor wants to give off of one of their confirmeds.
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N 948 wrote:I think VCA can be useful, but I'm not sure sure when we haven't actually lynched any mafia.
Fair enough. The fact of the matter is, between Emp and GB, those two are in compromising positions in our lynch wagons. Moreso than either you, me, or ArcAngel. I think we should lynch one of them.
N 949 wrote:I'm not sure why a serial killer would be so blatant. If he's sk, he could have very easily claimed vig; I mean, if he is, he's shot two mafia and at least one highly-suspected/null town.
As WIFOMy as it is, I really wouldn't. I actually think the SK was on the money doing what he did. I think the only reason he broke it up was because he must've read F-16 as town, which I surely did not (whereas Emp did).
