FINISHED You could be anyone Mafia

[PeregrineV]

He's only vulnerable to insane cops if the cop investigates them before investigating any vanilla townies I think. He'd be more vulnerable to insane cops if he showed up as town to them, since eventually an insane cop is going to figure out what is going on.
Same deal with paranoid cops. If a cop gets guilty results on everyone, including flipped vanilla townies, and then he suddenly investigates someone and they show up town? The point of a godfather is to be protected from cops, he shouldn't be the only person in the game who can be a confirmed scum read to paranoid cops.

So GF isn't immune to those cop types, he gets the opposite of his normal result?

Paranoid cop invesitagets and always gets guilty.
GF role gives favorable result to cop.
In theory, GF returns a guilty.
???

Will start this up in Mafia Discussion too.

[PeregrineV]

He's only vulnerable to insane cops if the cop investigates them before investigating any vanilla townies I think. He'd be more vulnerable to insane cops if he showed up as town to them, since eventually an insane cop is going to figure out what is going on.
Same deal with paranoid cops. If a cop gets guilty results on everyone, including flipped vanilla townies, and then he suddenly investigates someone and they show up town? The point of a godfather is to be protected from cops, he shouldn't be the only person in the game who can be a confirmed scum read to paranoid cops.

So GF isn't immune to those cop types, he gets the opposite of his normal result?

Paranoid cop invesitagets and always gets guilty.
GF role gives favorable result to cop.
In theory, GF returns a guilty.
???

Will start this up in Mafia Discussion too.

[PeregrineV]

That said,

@Majiffy

- what the holy hell? Why would you self-vote when no one was pushing you except me? Why work so hard to provide nothing?

[Majiffy]

Because everyone else was completely complacent with lynching me, and I had repeatedly asked for cases and received nothing but more votes. I was done with this game 2 day phases before I actually got lynched. I was bored as fuck and everyone was calling me scum for absolutely no valid reasons.

[Yates]

To be fair, about 1/2 of those people were scum.

[Devotress]

So GF isn't immune to those cop types, he gets the opposite of his normal result?

GF investigates how ever a town person would investigate, is how I think of it, for all the cop results.
This would bleed over to my thoughts on other roles too. Town person with a power role of some sort? "I am vanilla" would be a lie, "I am town" wouldn't. Town person who owns a gun(like a vig or cop)? Would show up as a gunowner.



Hey can I ask you guys something: If you can put yourselves back into the mindset of day 4 (the day we lynched majiffy), if the previous night scum had killed roleblocked lurker, killed peregrine, and Aunt J came in claming to be roleblocked, would you all have believed her over lurker and lynched lurker?

[Devotress]

That should have just read "Scum had roleblocked lurker".

[Devotress]

This is a question for Xelath, Nos, Majiffy, and AJtheEpic(who would have been alive that day instead).

[StrangerCoug]

...Yeah. Even with my proceeding to shoot myself in the foot (that's quite literally what I think happened—I feel I did great before that), what I think happened is that town made fewer mistakes than scum did. I feel the lie detector investigation results are bastard, but even without those, I think Yates would have sold me on PeregrineV-scum if I were living town at that point. Town trying to direct the vig onto himself when a misshoot costs the game is ill-thought out as it is, and Devotress flipping would not have helped in the slightest.

[PeregrineV]

...Yeah. Even with my proceeding to shoot myself in the foot (that's quite literally what I think happened—I feel I did great before that), what I think happened is that town made fewer mistakes than scum did. I feel the lie detector investigation results are bastard, but even without those, I think Yates would have sold me on PeregrineV-scum if I were living town at that point. Town trying to direct the vig onto himself when a misshoot costs the game is ill-thought out as it is, and Devotress flipping would not have helped in the slightest.

Yeah, but I that point I thought a devotress town-flip would lose us the game anyway. So, if'n I was wrong about a 4man scumteam, then I wouldn't have to be alive to worry about it.

[Nostredeus]

I also needed the cred on the off chance Yates was town and you were scum; best play of a bad lot imo.

You said it yourself, why would I come back with a town result on Devotress when I could have come back with a scum result the day before and ended/won the game as scum with the mislynch?

That was my thinking until the neighbourhood QT thing, I thought maybe a gambit, maybe a 3 person scumteam, maybe something to do with yates + a role he had, who knows so I followed Xelath.


@Devotress: Dunno who I would have dunked, I was pretty suspicious of Lurker and AuntJ; dat lurker and dat waffle syrup, for reals.

[Devotress]

waffle syrup

Any game where scum don't kill Aunt J for her gimmick posting, it's probably a good bet to assume Aunt J is scum and lynch her.

[Majiffy]

To be fair, about 1/2 of those people were scum.

Yeah, well

I

knew that. But what the hell am I supposed to do when a bullheaded PR is insistent that I'm scum because of confbias when he was roleblocked investigating me and instantly assumed I was investigation immune?

Devo, in regards to your question, I didn't like Jemina and I liked Lurker, so probably not.

[Aunt Jemina]

Any game where scum don't kill Aunt J for her gimmick posting, it's probably a good bet to assume Aunt J is scum and lynch her.

Truth. In 2/3 of my town games, I died immediately after replacing in. And in the third, I lived only because the doctor died.

They're delivering a mercy-kill to a body which is nothing but brittle bones and withered skin.

[PeregrineV]

To be fair, about 1/2 of those people were scum.

Yeah, well

I

knew that. But what the hell am I supposed to do when a bullheaded PR is insistent that I'm scum because of confbias when he was roleblocked investigating me and instantly assumed I was investigation immune?

Devo, in regards to your question, I didn't like Jemina and I liked Lurker, so probably not.

Yeah, all that speculation was pointless when I really did hit the II GF later in the game.

Oh Irony, you are a Bitch.

[Darthe]

Aunt J stole this game, but all in all it was an impressive display from the entire team.

Between Stranger's 3 roleblocks on me, AuntJ's investigation, Yates neighborizing, and Devotress's TOWN result, and reading the scum QT, I feel like I was playing against the enitre scumteam.

This is my sentiment as well. I was incredibly impressed with the play of my scumbuddies. Though I played a strong early-game, their late-game play was what really pulled us through.

We had 3 straight days of town deaths and 3 days of lylo or mylo. How did you think you weren't going to win?

Yates and I were rather buddy-buddy in 5P lylo. If one of us went down, the other was likely to die. Convincing the town that there was a scum lie-detector is something I went into the day skeptical of being possible. I thought our best chance of winning was when we had all four members alive, and that once Cougy got lynched that our chances of winning dropped significantly.

I was relying on your "reading" to help me live so much that I couldn't break this barrier. My belief of you as town forced him to be.

[jasonT1981]

Anyone interested, my new game is in signups now http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26017

[Xelath]

@Devo, I honestly have no clue haha.

[I Am Innocent]

Thanks Jason for modding.

All in all, one of the worst performances by town I have ever seen. And that includes me.

AuntJ, you had me fooled.

Well played.

PUTTING THIS HERE AND NOW, I WILL NEVER AGREE TO A MASSCLAIM D1 AGAIN (as town anyway...)

Xelath, terrible shot N2, you not only picked someone who was on neither mislynching wagon, but someone going toe to toe with you D2....is that something scum, who knew you must be legit, would do? No, they'd be kissing your butt so you'll shoot elsewhere. You redeemed yourself somewhat with the Devo shot tho.

All in all, I am still shocked you flipped town and AuntJ scum. The others, not surprised about. With that said, I am a man of my word...

I am willing to bet a month of mafiascum time that Xelath is lying. If I'm wrong, you won't see me here for a month.

...when I die in my last open game, I'll start the clock on my hiatus. Try not to miss me too much peeps!

[StrangerCoug]

I don't think it was

THAT

terrible.

Edit (hey, game's over):

Fixed my tags.

[Aunt Jemina]

I don't think it was THAT terrible.

Indeed. They put up quite a good fight from N3 onward.

We might have won, but it was not nearly as comfortable a victory as I had anticipated earlier.

[StrangerCoug]

I honestly thought you would die before not only the end of the game, but me.

[MonkeyMan576]

Now if you had listened to me about not massclaiming...

[Aj The Epic]

Bah. I can't say I'm terribly surprised on Auntie J. I am surprised about Nostre being town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nice job with the tunneling SC, it sort of came at me at a surprise, and by the time I started defending against it, most of the town was on your side.