NY 160B - Welcome to Castle Zar - TIME FOR FIREWORKS!

[Empire]

Her case on me (not to mention her abrasive, snarky attitude) is not town!Tammy. I'll have to dig up the game, give me a few minutes.

Yawn.

Relevant Tammy-town meta (my hydra with her).

She's not getting lynched. Period. And you're absolutely going tomorrow if we lynch DV and he comes back town.

[Nobody Special]

My TammyMeta: we were both town, alive in endgame in a 3p endgame thing. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=21344

She's scum here. I feel like I'm tunneling. DV is starting to feel town now. OMG I hate this game sometimes.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

She's scum here. I feel like I'm tunneling. DV is starting to feel town now. OMG I hate this game sometimes.

So, it's that awkward moment now when posts start to become really forced....

[Nobody Special]

Question: If I volunteer to be lynched today, would you guys look at Tammy, or would it automatically be DV?

[Empire]

In that instance, I'm auto-voting DV.

[Nobody Special]

Hold on a sec. Are we going on the assumption that there's only one scum left?

[Empire]

Given that the only PRs we seem to have are a Two-Shot Vig and a Gunsmith, yes, I think there's only one scum left.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hold on a sec. Are we going on the assumption that there's only one scum left?

So, it's that awkward moment now when posts start to become really forced....

[Nobody Special]

Hush, you.

[Nobody Special]

I just

damn I hate this game.

If DV is town and ...... Empire is town. And Dayne is town....

Hmmm. I should look at SnowStorm. Again.

[DeasVail]

NS, only reason for a gunsmith to be in the game is if Snow is town.

[DeasVail]

I think what SnowStorm is saying is that if you do somehow flip Town, you words postmortem would carry more weight. Presenting why you think I'm more likely to be scum than NS would help Town in the next Day phase.

lol

Empire, come on, this is probably from scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

NS, only reason for a gunsmith to be in the game is if Snow is town.

This.

Gunsmith is a bit weaker than a cop because there is a vig out there.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean the scum can have a limited doc to protect against the vig + not get investigated by the gunsmith, but eh.

(It doesn't really matter anyway?)

[DeasVail]

Eh, I assumed scum would have claimed doc, although I guess smart scum wouldn't.

If we lynch mafia and the game is still going, then he gets lynched straight away, but no point worrying about it now.

[Konowa]

Why is that post from scum? Explain the scum motivation.

[Konowa]

I really don't expect a response since you didn't respond to the last one.

[DeasVail]

First, thinking that I'm going to be able to have any influence on later lynches considering how things have gone so far is a bit silly, but not necessarily

that

scummy.

Most importantly though, saying that me typing up a case on you would help the town, is not something that town would think, believe or say, but is the kind of thing scum trying to be town may do.

PEdit: Um... ok. What didn't I respond to?

[Konowa]

That's crap, and as Town you would know it. Your words as Town flipped would absolutely carry weight.

Second, you're holding onto the crap "if Mehdi flips scum, Vi is scum" post. You seemed to ignore the only scum motivational reasoning as to why I as scum would do that. You're playing like LaLaLand. Your thoughts haven't evolved or taken any new ideas. You're sticking to one point and hoping it flies.

[DeasVail]

I'm pretty sure I made new points in La-La Land (at least on you). And I think this latest post of yours is scummy as well. I still disagree with that, especially since the majority opinion is that it's definitely going to be NS and me lynched before you. And it just doesn't happen when I'm town. So many times I've been lynched/killed as town with scumreads that have survived to the end (and some I've actually explained fairly well), and I don't know if I'd even be able to say anything more than I've already said. And my main point is:

If you're town, you don't think that me ranting on about how you're scum will help the town. (Well it could put everyone off I guess, but I don't think that was your intention with the post)

And if I think something was scummy before, why would I not think it scummy now, especially when everyone else I find to be fairly town and even other aspects of your play are not scummy or townish?

[Konowa]

You're still not distinguishing why I'm more likely to be scum than NS.

[Tammy]

My TammyMeta: we were both town, alive in endgame in a 3p endgame thing. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=21344

She's scum here. I feel like I'm tunneling. DV is starting to feel town now. OMG I hate this game sometimes.

??? If you remember that game, I gave you a scum read upon replacing in that I retracted over the course of the next day. By endgame I was leaning more towards MoI, and if you read how I approached MoI and examined his interactions with flipped scum, you'll find me extremely similar here.

[Tammy]

This is just so annoying. DV's lynch is a no-brainer to me and I simply can't understand why you three are still trying to avoid it or fight it. I get it that you wanted to look at other suspects, I get it that you really wished you were right about your earlier town reads on DV / scum reads on Konowa/NS, but we've had more than enough time to think and analyze every possible scenario and no matter how hard you wish you were right, you have to admit that you're most likely wrong now and DV won't become town all of a sudden just to make you happy.

Can we end this now, please?!!?!??

(I'm aware this might come out as an overreaction and that I could just wait for you to make up your minds, but I can't help it, this is deeply irritating.)

What is your problem? How is it hurting you for us to discuss things? Because you just know you're right? Good for you, don't move your vote, but I don't really see the need for the ranting.

For the record, I couldn't care less about being right about earlier town reads, especially on ones that weren't that strong either. The only town read I'd refuse to so much as consider is empire. And I suppose you as a good point was made that the gunsmith makes sense with a vig I guess. The rest I've been reconsidering and reassessing the whole time.

And if it is DV, great. All we've wasted is a couple of days. If it's not, then the discussion today will be productive for tomorrow. So just deal. You're going to get your DV lynch.

[Tammy]

DV's interaction with Konowa is really scummy, btw. (DV's end I mean)

[DeasVail]

You're still not distinguishing why I'm more likely to be scum than NS.

I'm pretty sure I have.

You are more scummy than he is.