Android: Netrunner: The Living Card Game

[TheButtonmen]

Valley Grid is actually been a MVP myko, well worth giving a shot.

[Oman]

When we broke up and she "cleaned up" my girlfriend threw out half my cards.

I no longer play.

[mykonian]

oh

[mykonian]

"bump".

First things first, Patrick became a stimhack league champion. This is pretty awesome. Yay patrick.




Second, that means there's a fresh stimhack league coming up, and for me the last one was a bit disappointing. So I've been grinding two decks lately, hopefully get in shape so I might make the top half of the players this time. Making top 100 would be a marked improvement. Anyway, the runner one is boring, the corp otoh I'm falling in love with. After the big box came out and with some experience under my belt with tagging NBN decks (see before in thread), my opinions about certain nbn cards (data raven) was called into question in scumchat. So I felt the need to make a sync deck and see how far I could come. And tbf, I was probably wrong about data raven with the new cards. The agenda setup was inspired by one of patrick's, and it's the main power of this deck.

The list underwent some pretty major changes over time as well, but some cards I really liked, others grew on me. This is the current iteration.

Spoiler: list

sync

SYNC: Everything, Everywhere (Data and Destiny)

Agenda (9)

3x AstroScript Pilot Program

(Core Set)

3x Global Food Initiative

(Data and Destiny)

•••

2x Quantum Predictive Model

(Data and Destiny)

1x 15 Minutes

(Data and Destiny)

Asset (8)

2x Adonis Campaign

(Core Set)

••••

1x Exposé

(The Underway)

2x Jackson Howard

(Opening Moves)

1x Melange Mining Corp.

(Core Set)

1x News Team

(Data and Destiny)

1x Shannon Claire

(Data and Destiny)

Upgrade (2)

1x Bernice Mai

(Humanity's Shadow)

1x Caprice Nisei

(Double Time)

••••

Operation (9)

1x Biotic Labor

(Core Set)

••••

2x Closed Accounts

(Core Set)

3x Hedge Fund

(Core Set)

3x Sweeps Week

(True Colors)

Barrier (4)

2x Resistor

(Data and Destiny)

2x Wraparound

(Fear and Loathing)

Code Gate (8)

1x Archangel

(Data and Destiny)

3x Pop-up Window

(Cyber Exodus)

2x Quandary

(Double Time)

2x Tollbooth

(Core Set)

Sentry (4)

3x Data Raven

(Core Set)

1x Gutenberg

(Breaker Bay)

15 influence spent (max 15)
18 agenda points (between 18 and 19)
44 cards (min 40)
Cards up to Data and Destiny

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

There are many words for the agenda setup, but the most civil is probably "unfair". Astro is astro, GFI is a lot better for you than for your opponent as well, scoring either puts a lot of pressure on the runner already. 15 min they can score, but you can get it back and conditionally they can't even score qpm! Film critic does counter these last two, but then, spending an additional cred and 3 clicks to score 1 point is uninspiring. The runner will have to score 4 agendas to win, of the 9 agendas 3 are narrow in how they can be scored (15 min has to be last, qpm you have be untagged for).

Cue shannon and the news team. News team gets taken for -1 point more often than not, not that many tag me runners around. It's adding insult to injury, but means the easiest way to victory for a runner is scoring 4 2 pointers. Shannon in practice is a mini jackson with the crucial difference that she puts it on the bottom of R&D. This practically keeps it out of play. That means the situation where the qpm's are covered by a raven, the runner has to score 4 out of the 5 available agendas.

It's still nbn though so scoring out can be tough, but initially when the runner isn't set up yet and the tagging ice slows it down you still have your windows. If it goes late, in a world with clots and film critics, you will still inevitably lose, it's taxing, but nbn style. The goal is to score two of the astro's/gfi's at which point you are close to a win, and the runner knows this. However, given the last paragraph, that's 2 of the 5 hopefully available agendas available (or 6 if news team didn't connect, but the 6th is 15 min) available. That makes desperation runs, which made it so hard to close out on the nbn mn tagging deck, way less likely to be successful.

QPM covers a lot of the issues that raven has in that stage, where the MN deck used information overload to punish an excess of tags, now there's resistor. If they take tags, suddenly there's a taxing ice. If they don't, it's a 0 to rez virtual etr (unless your opponent is sunny). This card I really underestimated, it's rarely bad.

The rest of the cards are pretty basic, I think, which leaves the ID. The fact that you have a 44 card deck makes the agenda setup sting that much more (it would be a lot worse with an additional beale, for example, then you'd need to get to 3 major agenda scores to get to a near won situation... really :/). You still get to have 15 influence, which tbf is spent rather liberally here. And having a smaller deck, the power cards do come around more often. The ability is nice, people are forced to run through raven now and then, and that's still an extra cred to remove the tag, it helps a little with siphon hits. Rarely have had to flip the ID yet (it's nice insurance though). All in all the ability is a bonus.

[popsofctown]

I lost 3/4ths of the interest I had remaining in Netrunner when I played someone who started a game with turn 1 protect centrals, turn 2 install naked remote, advance, advance.

I was like, is a game with mechanics like that really my idea of a good time.

I guessed/read correctly on whether it was agenda and went on to win the game, but it wasn't really satisfying.

[mykonian]

There are ways to not have to guess! (even though they are currently not very popular). Either have a form of protection so even when it is something EVIL you don't notice, or by checking beforehand with expose effects.

but in the end, there is bluffing involved even when the card is protected, there is some value in information what your opponent is playing with. So maybe you are right, and it isn't the game for you

would make me sad though, I've apparently played for years now, and I still think the game is brilliant.

[Oman]

Holy shit nbn's new agendas are BALLSACKS!

I miss netrunner.

[popsofctown]

There are ways to not have to guess! (even though they are currently not very popular). Either have a form of protection so even when it is something EVIL you don't notice, or by checking beforehand with expose effects.

but in the end, there is bluffing involved even when the card is protected, there is some value in information what your opponent is playing with. So maybe you are right, and it isn't the game for you

would make me sad though, I've apparently played for years now, and I still think the game is brilliant.

Yeah I am just not big into bluffing. But I really like a lot of the other mechanics :/

[mykonian]

that's a shame, there's a lot of judgement there! Bluffing is rarely 50/50, even if it may feel this way.

[Shanba]

If people are trying to pull that crap, I tend to agree with you, it's simply not worth your time trying to guess what's going on in the remote.

My solution is just to keep running rnd. Roughly half or more of their traps do nothing if you access them from rnd, so you can run with far less fear of bullshit happening. The issue is, playing against that deck is incredibly tedious, since you're mostly going run once, draw cards, slowly nibble away more cards from their rnd, hit a trap, draw up, hit an agenda, draw up... if you play slowly and carefully, and pressure rnd, it's really hard to lose the matchup. But it's boring as hell. 25 minute games where you're seeing 1 new card a turn... zzzzzz

If anyone wants a runner deck that feels really different, I've legit been having more fun with this deck than any deck I've played in a long time:

http://netrunnerdb.com/en/decklist/26186/leela-v2

It has a very unusual tempo, you spend a lot of time setting up, then you find an opening, and just have these huge devestating turns. Makes you feel like a boss.

[mykonian]

shanba, I know you've been playing it for a while, so maybe one of the new cards would help you out?

You'd have the influence for DDoS if you'd cut your I've had worse.

[Shanba]

DDoS is legit interesting, but...

I don't like dying

[xRECKONERx]

i feel like im too far behind to ever play this game again *sigh*

[Shanba]

IDK, you can just play on OCTGN or Jinteki. Interface remains a little tricky. The core gameplay hasn't really changed, and everyone's playing random t3 decks, so you wont just get butcher-shopped or RPed all day, so I don't think you need to be super familiar with the meta or anything.

[Patrick]

Holy shit nbn's new agendas are BALLSACKS!

They are indeed quite excellent

[Oman]

Octgn's interface is legit not worth tackling in order to play this game. I'm hugely not a fan

[Shanba]

Have you tried jinteki.net? I haven't, but I've heard good things.

[popsofctown]

I'm gonna go play netrunner tonight. I asked on facebook if someone could let me borrow decks to play with that aren't awful and presumably he will.

How do I obliterate my opponents and make them respect me?

I am actually 2-2 playing against people with full collections and lots of experience, which makes me really worried about the amount of skill vs. luck in the game.

[Oman]

In my experience netrunner isn't abou5 obliterating people to make them respect you. It's a dope community. They'll respect you.

[popsofctown]

The guy creamed me twice and then put up his cards like he didn't want to play again. He just sat and talked to his girlfriend, who was picking out cards for a new deck and had only figured out 20 of the ones she was sure about during the hour we had spent playing.
The only other two people at the meetup were locked in a long game that almost went to deckout. By the time I watched it to its finish it was kinda late for me to start another game so I went home.

[Oman]

So I got gifted the starter set for Christmas from a good friend. I'm super keen to start playing again.

What do you reckon is the best way to get a few (like maybe two of each) decks going without spending a ton?

[mykonian]

I suspect the best way is to look at the deluxe expansions. A lot of support for many an archetype on the runners side is given in creation and control. Between core and that, you have a base for non silly runner decks, where if you have a deck you fancy you wouldn't need to spend much more on datapacks to get it together, I think. Depends a bit on what you like then.

On the corp side it might be a bit harder. I don't think you can avoid playing with Jackson, so opening moves as a datapack is probably going to be a start, but then you still need to find expansions that give you practical agendas to play with, since the core is a bit narrow in that. Really depends on what you like, what corps you'd be interested in. Their big box should give you a decent agenda base to start from, I suspect. Could help you further if I knew what you liked

[PrivateI]

Kala Ghota is out now, and it looks as though Museum of History could provide a compelling argument for phasing out Jackson in the future. The fact that it works so well with large decks (and indeed, rewards those who place MoH in large decks) makes it super duper useful in any Industrial Genomics deck.

Jinteki.net is better than ever. Lag time is at a minimum. they've added an additional "Competitive" lobby to separate good from jank, and it seems like every week, functionality and automation for more cards is built into the interface.

[Patrick]

I've also switched over to Jinteki.net, mainly because the population on Octgn was getting smaller and smaller. What's your username on there PrivateI?

I don't think Museum of History is really a Jackson replacement; it doesn't rescue you from agenda flood, it doesn't let you turbo draw to dig for agendas when you have a window, it doesn't provide immediate safety from Noise or DLR mills, and it requires a watered down deck. It is good in IG, but much more niche than Jackson, I think.

[kanyeknowsbest]

i cant stop playing sunny decks i got fucking problems.