Mini 275: Subject Mafia - It's all over!


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Mini 275: Subject Mafia - It's all over!

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:23 am

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Welcome to Subject Mafia, here are the rules (stolen from stark who stole them from shelper who stole them from Meme):
Votes must be in bold. If you do not bold your vote, it will not be counted.

+ Please be attentive and unvote, if necessary, before casting a new vote.
+ Lynching will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, his pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will be unheeded. You may vote: no lynch – majority votes of this kind are necessary to end the day without a death.
+ The game is not to be discussed outside of the thread unless your role specifically states that you may do so.
+ Once your death scene has been posted, you’re dead. Stop typing.
+ Don’t edit/delete previously submitted posts
+ Don’t quote any PMs from me.
+ If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you – if you do not submit a choice to me, tough! No choice will be made.
+ If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.
+ Remember, it’s a game. It’s supposed to played. It’s supposed to be fun. Do your part.

We will start with Night, please do the things you do during the night if you have them to do...

Players:
cropcircles
Don Gaetano
petroleumjelly
RangeroftheNorth
Sineish
- replaced by bigAl


snowmonkey
- townie - lynched day 1

Jimmy the Rez
- Mason - Killed night 1

Turbovolver
- SK - lynched day 2

Stewie
- townie - Killed night 2

pablito
- Mafia - Killed night 2

Sotty7
- Mafia - Lynched day 3
Akonas
- Townie - Killed night 3
Last edited by Kenji on Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:28 am, edited 15 times in total.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:46 pm

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Welcome to day 1 of subject mafia....

You wake up to find something very suspicious has happened... everyone is still with you.

With 12 alive it's 6 for a lynch. Good luck and have fun everyone.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:09 am

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Checking in to say hello.

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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:01 am

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Hello!

Random
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:14 am

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Wow! I've never played with most of you guys. Let's pick one...

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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:59 am

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Hello all.

Random
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:27 am

Post by petroleumjelly »

Randomizer says 10.

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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:35 am

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Howdy!

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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:05 am

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OMGUS Vote: Sineish
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:38 pm

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Just something I gotta try.

Vote Kenji


Does anyone else find it odd that its 6 to lynch when there are 12 players alive? Was that a mistake?
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:11 pm

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FOS: petroleumjelly


Random votes based on random numbers/dice rolls are truly useless.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:24 pm

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So you do a random FOS?
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:25 pm

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Well, randomish... sorry for double post.
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:54 pm

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Stewie wrote:So you do a random FOS? vote: turbovolver
It's clearly not a random FOS if it has a reason.

It is a rather meaningless FOS however, as it's a playstyle thing and not a scummy thing. This could be what you mean when you call it random, as random votes are also meaningless (you see? Now either you've misrepresented me or agreed random votes are useless!)


Also I don't know which "random" you are correcting to "randomish" but only scum are that careful with their posts:

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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:43 pm

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petroleumjelly wrote:Randomizer says 10.

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I wonder who you would have voted for if your randomizer said 6.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:59 pm

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Turbovolver wrote: Also I don't know which "random" you are correcting to "randomish"
The "(random)" since my vote on you isn't truly random (I didn't roll a die and then flip a coin to decide it was you the one I was going to vote for) but you made a random FOS (you FOSed only one person, when pretty much everyone else that posted voted randomly) so I decided to vote you for it. I don't mean anything by it, it's just to start the game, so I call it randomish.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:03 pm

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I think Turbovolver's being a bit quick to point fingers. Especially considering that the "only scum are that careful with their posts" bit is completely untrue.

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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:13 pm

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FOS: cropcircles
because I'm not getting why you're jumping on Turbo when both sides of the argument seem to have decent points. I'm not sure if you're scum starting a bandwagon or if you're strongly on Stewie's side.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:30 pm

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Stewie wrote:...but you made a random FOS (you FOSed only one person, when pretty much everyone else that posted voted randomly)
Because that one person specifically said they used a random number generator. And random votes are usually pretty hopeless, but especially hopeless when you tell everyone you are only voting for someone because they were randomly chosen.

So no, my FOS wasn't random at all. It was my way of saying "random votes suxx0r amirite?" and possibly starting up some discussion.
cropcircles wrote:I think Turbovolver's being a bit quick to point fingers.
Yep. 8)
cropcircles wrote:Especially considering that the "only scum are that careful with their posts" bit is completely untrue.
I don't know, I'm certainly much more careful as scum than as town. But geez, it's just a vote. I promise I won't cast/have a lynching vote on him just because he corrected a post. Pinky promise.


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pablito wrote:FOS: cropcircles because I'm not getting why you're jumping on Turbo when both sides of the argument seem to have decent points. I'm not sure if you're scum starting a bandwagon or if you're strongly on Stewie's side.
Like I said, the FOS was just my way of expressing my view on random votes, and the vote wasn't much more serious. I do think the fact that cropcircles takes it seriously is a
tiny
bit suspicious, but he thinks something I said is untrue, and that makes the vote fair enough.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:32 pm

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Maybe we don't all agree that both sides have decent points? I certainly don't.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:43 pm

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My last post was posted at the same time as Turbo's.
Turbo wrote:I don't know, I'm certainly much more careful as scum than as town.
Many people are. But some players are just careful in general. I, personally, am more careful as a townie, because I'm more interested in the game, and thus care to live longer.

And anyway, random voting is good strategy. A lot of times, a cop will hit scum night 1, but be afraid that they are paranoid or insane, so they "random" vote their night 1 target, and test their sanity the next night. That way, if they die before they can claim, we can look back and see if they left us a hint about their first target.

However, if no one else random voted, then the mafia would see a singular random vote of a fellow scum in the thread as a hint of that player being a cop that hit one of their buddies night 1. Thus, by random voting, we not only spark discussion, but provide the cop with cover.

It's subjective, and rarely comes into play, but it can only help us. [/Mafia Theory 101]
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:56 pm

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Well, we're clearly past the random voting stage, so I will
Unvote: Sotty7
. And as to the question as to who I would vote if I had gotten a six: it would have been myself. I've seen people do that before.

In any case, I agree: a random vote only gets the game started. I could have used a randomizer and not told you, and I still would voted for Sotty7. Alternatively, I could be purposely voting Sotty7 under the guise of a randomized vote. Although I don't believe I have read this much conversation on a randomized vote before, it seems like it got some discussion going anyways. As discussion is a large purpose to random votes, I find nothing wrong with a "randomized" vote.
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:07 pm

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cropcircles wrote:*snip*

[/Mafia Theory 101]
Thank you!

I had a discussion in a Newbie game about random voting and all the cases I heard for it just didn't stack up. But providing cover for a cop to signal a scum if need be... that could come into play.

I wonder though, if a cop goes through the first night and hits an innocent, wouldn't they still random vote to blend in? Or do many players not vote as cop in this situation? (This is only my third game)

And, back to the game (this text is red because supposedly bold annoys the mods looking for votes)


Un-FOS: petroleumjelly
. The FOS was a comment on random voting, not suspicious behaviour.

I am also unsuspicious of cropcircles (I take back my
tiny
bit of suspicion). The fact that he agrees with random voting while I did not confirms that he thought my side of the 'argument' didn't have decent points.

Confirm Vote: Stewie
. My vote basically signifies who I find most suspicious, and for the moment that's Stewie. Just because he says I made a random FOS, I tell him no it's not random (it had a reason) and he tries to tell me again that it's random.

...no, it's not much. But it beats anybody else for the moment.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:41 pm

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I might have Un-FOS'd petroleumjelly because the FOS was more self-expression than a demonstration of suspicion, but reading through the thread I've changed my mind a bit.

I'm still susipcious of Stewie on second thoughts, as when he cleared up which "random" should have become "randomly" he also threw in rather unnecessary justification of his actions.

However, this post by petroleumjelly:
petroleumjelly wrote:Well, we're clearly past the random voting stage, so I will Unvote: Sotty7. And as to the question as to who I would vote if I had gotten a six: it would have been myself. I've seen people do that before.

In any case, I agree: a random vote only gets the game started. I could have used a randomizer and not told you, and I still would voted for Sotty7. Alternatively, I could be purposely voting Sotty7 under the guise of a randomized vote. Although I don't believe I have read this much conversation on a randomized vote before, it seems like it got some discussion going anyways. As discussion is a large purpose to random votes, I find nothing wrong with a "randomized" vote.
seems far to agreeable and basically says nothing. It is all a comment on his own actions, and does nothing to hunt scums. And all of this in response to an FOS I myself have said wasn't an inidcator of suspicion.

Unvote: Stewie
Vote: petroleumjelly
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:25 pm

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Yeah, it is a mistake it should read 7 to lynch...

Miali1020 - 1 (Jimmy the Rez)
RangeroftheNorth - 1 (Sineish)
Petroleumjelly - 2 (quailman, Turbovolver)
Quailman - 1 (pablito)
Turbovolver - 3 (Sotty7, Stewie, CropCircles)
Sineish - 1 (RangeroftheNorth)

With 12 alive, it is 7 for a lynch
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