Open 520: Stacking the Deck Part II - Game Over...Mafia Win!

[Tammy]

Vote Count 1.02

JasonWazza (4) - mutleyddmc, fuzzybutternut, Soundsofmusic, jsmith1234

anorway (2) - anorway, elleheathen
Sakura Hana (1) - JasonWazza
elleheathen (1) - bubbajack8
awestfie (1) - qwertyuiop
TheGreatOne (1) - Sakura Hana
Soundsofmusic (1) - TheGreatOne

Not Voting (1) - awestfie

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, August 21, 2013, at 2:00 AM CDT (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2013-08-21 02:00:00).

[fuzzybutternut]

<3 Hope all goes as planned Tammy!!

[jsmith1234]

Good luck with the move, Tammy, sounds exciting (minus the actual hassle).

[elleheathen]

Well that's unfortunate that we rolled IC. That's probably the worst role we could have gotten.

Why? I would have though it would be one of the best? Not only is it a confirmed town that we won't run the risk of mislynching but it has the potential depending on what we get with it to cause possible missed NK's. Though I like it most because it's one less person that I need to at.

Considering most of you all have played together before, how beneficial do you think your meta reads have been and/or will be?

[Sakura Hana]

In the case of mutley, don't think it'll help at all without analyzing his voing patterns and having at least 1 scum flip.

[fuzzybutternut]

Well that's unfortunate that we rolled IC. That's probably the worst role we could have gotten.

Why? I would have though it would be one of the best? Not only is it a confirmed town that we won't run the risk of mislynching but it has the potential depending on what we get with it to cause possible missed NK's. Though I like it most because it's one less person that I need to at.

Considering most of you all have played together before, how beneficial do you think your meta reads have been and/or will be?

I predict Meta reads to be....interesting to say the least.

[jsmith1234]

Well that's unfortunate that we rolled IC. That's probably the worst role we could have gotten.

Why? I would have though it would be one of the best? Not only is it a confirmed town that we won't run the risk of mislynching but it has the potential depending on what we get with it to cause possible missed NK's. Though I like it most because it's one less person that I need to at.

The way I see it is that IC is an optimal kill for mafia N1. If our other PR is BG and BG logically saves me, then BG dies. If our other PR is not a protective role, then mafia guarantees taking out the IC. Either way, town is left with one PR by D2. This assumes mafia didn't elect to take on any extra buffs, which seems logical and is also the currently established proper play for this setup.

Had we been given any other role, mafia would be left in the dark as to who both the PRs are, which seems a lot more beneficial to town considering we necessarily don't have a doctor.

[Mutleyddmc]

I would say sak was pretty obvious as scum but I'm sure she's sorted out her flaws by now

[Mutleyddmc]

oh and I will tunnel on fuzzy at some point

[fuzzybutternut]

oh and I will tunnel on fuzzy at some point

I hope so. I sure do enjoy some Mut tunneling.

[Sakura Hana]

The way I see it is that IC is an optimal kill for mafia N1.

IC is the least optimal kill for mafia on N1, they are conf town... that's all they are, they can even buddy them and convince them during MyLo/LyLo to lynch town... the other PRs on the other hand, are way more dangerous due to their night actions which can screw up the mafia's plans.

[jsmith1234]

IC is the least optimal kill for mafia on N1, they are conf town... that's all they are, they can even buddy them and convince them during MyLo/LyLo to lynch town... the other PRs on the other hand, are way more dangerous due to their night actions which can screw up the mafia's plans.

Perhaps that's the prevailing meta on this site, in which case that's good for me. Still, I personally don't agree. If there really are only two town PRs, then at some point it becomes advantageous for mafia to just get rid of the IC and leave town in the dark. Unless the investigative role or vigilante are lucky enough to take out all the scum themselves or survive till late game, it seems that a 3-way lylo with no-clears is very likely to happen. Plus if our other PR is a BG, then we have no offensive roles at all in this game to stop mafia.

Anyway, probably best for me to not discuss this further - no point in helping mafia flesh out their upcoming mafia kills.

[Mutleyddmc]

oh and I will tunnel on fuzzy at some point

I hope so. I sure do enjoy some Mut tunneling.

I warn you it will be really bad, but we will win from it

[bubbajack8]

leaning town on jsmith atm. Good post

>Leaning town on a clear

You clearly dont know mutley

clearly not.

Jsmith I get your understanding of wanting to lynch more experienced players first, but won't we lose insight as well. I'd hate to lynch an experienced player who's town when we could have him later.

Although I do agree that new players are easier to read, so I've taken the liberty to make this list of players based on games they HAVE played.

QWERTYUIOP: no completed games, actually his first game on site! Welcome to Mafia Scum Qwertyuiop!
jsmith1234: no completed games, actually his first game on site! Welcome to Mafia Scum Jsmith!
elleheathen: no completed games.
Sounds Of Music: no completed games.
The Great One: 2 games; 2 town.
anorway: 5 games; 3 town 2 scum (In one of his games he made an RVS and then was replaced out)
bubbajack8: 6 games; 5 town 1 scum
awestfie: 7 games; 5 town 2 scum
Mutleyddmc: 26 games; 18 town 6 scum 2 thirds
Sakura Hana: 29 games; 20 town 5 scum 4 thirds.
fuzzybutternut: 34 games; 26 town 7 scum 1 WW (Not including 3p Lylo where he was town 3 times, and scum once.)
JasonWazza: 49 games; 32 town 17 scum (Not including 3p Lylo where he was town once and scum 3 times.)

I don't know where I was going with this......

Concerning Jsmith's 61

And there are still the inevitable VTs whose votes can lynch mafia. But if it gets down to mylo and we don't have any offensive roles, then we are screwed.

[Sakura Hana]

You are gonna tunnel and you don't invite me? you're really mean

P-Edit: I hope you arent counting Marathon games on that Bubba

[fuzzybutternut]

Where did you get that info, Bubba?

[bubbajack8]

also UNVOTE:

Mutley, fuzzy, and SoM why are you on Jason?

@Sakura I am, they were a pain in the ass to figure out xD

@Fuzzy I went through everyone's posts looked at all their completed games and kept a tally of their alignment.

[Sakura Hana]

You might get a better idea by checking my Wiki, all my games are there not incuding Marathons, also off-site ones.

[TheGreatOne]

Anyway
VOTE: TheGreatOne
Getting slight scumvibes off this guy.

Why did you vote me and then move somewhere else?

[Sakura Hana]

I am not moving somewhere else? I'm still voting my gut scumread.

[fuzzybutternut]

also UNVOTE:

Mutley, fuzzy, and SoM why are you on Jason?

@Sakura I am, they were a pain in the ass to figure out xD

@Fuzzy I went through everyone's posts looked at all their completed games and kept a tally of their alignment.

I think Jason is scum.

[TheGreatOne]

I am not moving somewhere else? I'm still voting my gut scumread.

But you moved onto a completely different subject.

[Sakura Hana]

And why does that bother you?

[jsmith1234]

Thanks bubba, that info is appreciated. And true, I guess we have to weigh the potential benefit of having a good experienced player alive who's town vs. the easier time we'll have reading newer players + avoiding an experienced mafia player misdirecting us. Perhaps we can reach a good balance of having some experienced players with more newer players alive.

So at the very least I'd prefer taking out one experienced player from the get go.

@Sakura: I noticed Game 520 isn't on your wiki as an on-going game.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh right, I forgot to add it because i also forgot to bookmark it >_>