Mini 295: Library Mafia - Game Over!

[Vyolynce]

There's also the fact that you followed up that advice with a request for the vig to claim:

It might be best if he claims now, just so we know if we're dealing with a SK or not (and if there is an SK, so we can force him to either claim vig now or never claim vig at all).

Even though asking the vig to not kill may have been pro-town advice, asking him to come forth was asking him to sacrifice himself to the scum whether or not he ever killed again. He would have either been a confirmable innocent (something scum doesn't like to have running around) or an SK with a "confirmable" fake claim (somthing

nobody

wants running around).

You contradict yourself.

I meant "the person claiming vig". My mistake.

And I still think that the vig would still have been a power role, even if it was the right play to sit on his kill for a couple nights (which is a point I'm not arguing).


None of this changes the fact that giving pro-town advice doesn't necessarily equate to being a pro-town player.

[Yosarian2]

And I still think that the vig would still have been a power role, even if it was the right play to sit on his kill for a couple nights (which is a point I'm not arguing).

Actually, if there's one kill a night and one lynch a day, and if the scum never miss a kill (and with the doc and roleblocker both dead, that seems a fair assumption), then the town will always have an odd number of people during the day. Perhaps I'm missing something, but with an odd number of people, it seems to me like it would most likely never be the right move for a vig to make a night kill.

None of this changes the fact that giving pro-town advice doesn't necessarily equate to being a pro-town player.

Of course. But I never claimed that me giving pro-town advice proved I was pro-town. You were the one who was trying to make it sound like me giving pro-town advice was some sort of scum tell.

[bigdaddyblock]

Hmmm...

After a re-read, I remembered that Der Hammer had claimed mason day 1.

I think we can win this if his mason buddies come forward. Der Hammer, I don't want you to point them out, I would rather if they come out on their own and then you confirm them.

Does anyone have a problem with this plan?

[Vyolynce]

After a re-read, I remembered that Der Hammer had claimed mason day 1.

I think we can win this if his mason buddies come forward. Der Hammer, I don't want you to point them out, I would rather if they come out on their own and then you confirm them.

Does anyone have a problem with this plan?

I do, if only because my limited experience with Der Hammer (in Mini 293 -- Resident Evil 4 Mafia) tells me that DH claims a lot of things, like vig and kill-reflecting in that case; turns out he was simply vanilla townie.

Also, he never even came forth as mason outright; it was just an assumption based on "I know one other person aside from me is innocent (I'm not cop)."

Could be mason. Could just be newb foolishness.

In addition, I'm not following the logic of how publicly knowing the masons could help us win unless it's a large (more than two) group.

[bigdaddyblock]

Well, first off, it can narrow the scum search by one person. Right now, TSAGod and Dukester are high-up on my list. I think that's where two of our scum lies. Then that leaves you, me, Yosarian, and tokiyoh.

With just us four, it's a one in 4 shot, but with the partner revealed it will be 1 on 3-much better odds.

Yes, he hinted at it, but still, he essentially made a mason claim, and if he was lying to us, he pretty much cost us the game from these shenanigans. I didn't read RE4, but if he is pulling the same stunt as that game, he should look to a certain saying made famous on one site I lurked their games in the past.

Essentially, we can narrow it down to either he lied to us, and he should be lynched per LaL, or if it is true, we can make a better deciaion about our lynches

[Yosarian2]

The only problem with outing the hypothetical masons right now is that not only do we have to lynch right today, we also have to lynch right tommorow and the next day. If we out the masons now, and hammer is telling the truth, both masons might be dead by endgame, when we'd need them most.

If we're about to lynch a mason, they should claim. Otherwise, though, I don't see any real advantage to hammer's mason partner coming out now.

[tokiyoh]

I'm not quite following why the masons should claim. Not that i disagree with the reasonning, i simply can't seem to think along with it. Yes of course having claimed masons would essentially narrow down the number of lynching choices for the day. However, how do we verify that the claimed masons really

are

masons? The option of night investigation is certainly out; and we don't have enough players to safely "lynch one and see what happens". Also, by bdb's process of elimination, what if TSA or Dukester turn out to be Hammer's mason partner? And also the fact that we are just

assuming

there are 3 members in the mafia party. I don't think we can work out a well constructed strategy from here. But then again, should the masons feel like claiming, it won't do much harm either.

-- By the way, where are TSA and Dukester today?

[bigdaddyblock]

All I can say to that tokiyoh is look at his voting record. I'm getting a read that he probably isnt partners with TSA and Duke. WIFOM aside, if you are masons with someone, why separate themselves.

[Dukester]

Woah, this is going quickly; I like to see that . Ok I don't like the associations with TSA that you are all making. If you haven't noticed I am actually quite suspicious of TSA because he lurks and other things. Honestly, the way he dismissed my vote and suspcions by not even responding to them kinda makes me even more suspicious. I definitely think we should take our time on this day and pressure vote a lot of people and if they don't comply then lynch them. We need people to start talking, the town is about to loose if there are 3 mafia members and we need EVERYONE to be participating. So I guess if no one has a better plan then...

vote: TSAGod

[Aureal]

Vote Count:

TSAGod - 1 (Dukester)

Not voting - 6 (everyone else)


4 to lynch.

[d_rouge]

Oh, well...

Go town!

[Der Hammer]

I agree with you Dukester about the lurking but Im not convinced yet.
A wrong vote is game over if there are 3/4 Mafia so I advise you take it off until everyone is posting and everyone agrees on someone.

[Vyolynce]

Oh, I see. So when Yos isn't engaging in a back-and-forth discussion with someone (yesterday Starkemoon, today me), nobody else wants to bring the content.

Is TSAGod still alive? I don't mean in the game, I mean literally. He must be, because he's posted in other threads.

I wonder if he's relying on the "watched topics" notification. I've heard others have problems with that.

[Der Hammer]

\ok well nothing seems to be happening so Im gonna go ahead and

Vote:TsaGod

[Vyolynce]

>_<

That's not what I meant by "content".

[Yosarian2]

...

Why are peoeple voting like this in a lynch or lose?

Der Hammer, if you're not scum, I'd suggest you unvote.

My guess is that one of TSAGod and Dukester is probably scum. I think Dukester is more likely. If he is, though, then unless Der Hammer is scum with him, if Der Hammer dosn't unvote TSA before the other scum check in, we've lost.

[Der Hammer]

Ok,

Unvote

for now...

TSA is still my main suspect but until the rest of you check in then its unfair to put him in a lynching situation.

[Yosarian2]

Where is everyone?

The fact that the game hasn't ended yet has convinced me that either Dukester or TSAGod must be scum. Unless someone gives me a good reason not to do so, I'm probably going to vote for Dukester fairly soon.

[bigdaddyblock]

If you think he is scum why not vote for him.

[Vyolynce]

Upon re-read, I'm liking Dukester as scum too. But I want to hear from TSA before we make our final decision. A second post from Tokiyoh wouldn't hurt, either.

[TSAGod]

Here...this game dropped from my radar.

Dukester worries me, especially since he went from being suspicious of me to finishing a bandwagon for me, which I didn't feel I was implying to finish.

Also, DerHammer seems to be trying to remain under the radar, unvoting a vote that somebody yelled at him for, but he could have just actually believed the idea.

I'd support a Dukester lynch.

[Dukester]

^Ladies and Gentlemen I present TSAGod.^

Confirmed Vote: TSAGod

[bigdaddyblock]

Vote:TSAGod

That last post sets off my scumdar.

I'd advocate a Dukester lynch tomorrow, barring more info.

[Der Hammer]

I would prefer to wait but I am now going to be away until next Monday.

Vote:TsaGod

[Vyolynce]

Well, that was relatively quick.

So, are either myself, Yos, or Tokiyoh going to drop the hammer?

Won't be me.

vote: Dukester