Mini 1500:Narnia- The Lion,the Witch,and the Wardrobe Mafia

[JKLM]

Here's the simplest way I can put his sum play:
Very careful.
Not a risk taker.
Conformist.

[mozamis]

smargaret, could you respond to Honig's defence.

[Skelda]

Here's the simplest way I can put his sum play:
Very careful.
Not a risk taker.
Conformist.

And you got that from two posts? How?

[JKLM]

Your very first post is exactly all of that

Call it a bet I'm willing to take

[Skelda]

Your very first post is exactly all of that

Call it a bet I'm willing to take

But all you did was list traits that I typically have on this site in general, especially in the first few posts.

I do think you are town, but jumping on someone that quickly just based on meta you can't even fully discuss bothers me. Seems town, but misguided.

[JKLM]

Don't worry that reaction you've given isn't your scummy so it's all good

unvote

Just was suspsiscious, played it up so I could see you react. You did fine.

[mnemonicdevice]

Interesting.
UNVOTE:

[ArcAngel9]

VOTECOUNT 1.3

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Broken aquarium

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PeaceBringer

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JKLM

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mnemonicdevice

- Broken Aquarium
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projectmatt

- Hermy
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mozamis

- HonigBear, Garmr, Skelda
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HonigBear

- smargaret
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smargaret

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Garmr

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alienBRO

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Shane

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Skelda

- mozamis, PeaceBringer, Shane
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Hermy

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(4) Not Voting

- alienBRO, projectmatt, JKLM, mnemonicdevice


With 13 alive, it takes 7 for a lynch and 6 for no lynch!!
Day 1 ends on 16th OCT, 2013 17:19 hrs (Indian time)

Shane v/la till monday
alienBRO v/la till monday

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-10-16 17:19:00)

[Broken Aquarium]

what's interesting mneumonic?

[Skelda]

what's interesting mneumonic?

I was wondering this too. His vote was for projectmatt, I thought. None of those meta-accusations on me had much to do with that at all.

[JKLM]

Yeah, care to clarify Mneumonic? I was going to say you were opurtunistic on that wagon for Skelda until I realized you never voted for him. So what is interesting...?

[Broken Aquarium]

guys, that combined with this

Interesting. Someone is already at L-1.

^ most townies react like... "why didn't you call out L-1 with your vote???" here, it seems like he's not that concerned.


and these posts where he's sticking up for others (really looks like whiteknighting):

Ugh... If it was anyone else I would vote this^ for it's annoyingness in RVS, but I know that that is just how he plays

Nice. So 3 votes on me for no reason. and 4 votes on peacebringer. Also because of his playstyle.

I also like how Skelda just randomly jumps on the peacebringer wagon. RVS much?

i really think he is scum.

and he got his vote mixed up on projectmatt

[Broken Aquarium]

also apologies, because we still can't upload an avatar. it's annoying me

[Skelda]

I want to hear his explanation first, since I don't see his recent Unvote as particularly scummy. Why aren't you voting if you are convinced? Your vote does no good rotting in your hands.

[Broken Aquarium]

not too mention the overusage of the word "interesting"

[Broken Aquarium]

I want to hear his explanation first, since I don't see his recent Unvote as particularly scummy. Why aren't you voting if you are convinced? Your vote does no good rotting in your hands.

we are
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5339321

[Skelda]

I want to hear his explanation first, since I don't see his recent Unvote as particularly scummy. Why aren't you voting if you are convinced? Your vote does no good rotting in your hands.

we are
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5339321

Oh, forgot about that.

And "interesting" is likely just a playstyle thing.

[JKLM]

Mneumonic never struck as me scummy as I never thought that scum could be that transparently complacent

Atleast I've thought but I could be wrong

[Broken Aquarium]

skelda, what do you think about his posts i linked...
post 30, where he says he would vote for JKLM, but he knows that's his posting style
as well as post 59, when he defends peace... when others were kind of getting their backs up at peace.
and post 61 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5341743

i know this is not a good argument... but i do that very thing as scum. whiteknight the people that town suspect.

[Broken Aquarium]

And "interesting" is likely just a playstyle thing.

not necessarily
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=29969
look at ISO

[smargaret]

It disturbs me that you would make a serious vote that early on in the game let alone in the RVS

, particulalry while not explaining why a vote that leaves a player on L-5 is scummy and then have to explain your actions so thoroughly.
Also I don't like your vote on JKLM.
Mnemonic answer mah question plzzzzz.

I see the bolded as wanting to stay in RVS. What is wrong with serious votes early?

Honig, you're going to fos (or whatever) someone you see as null? And you don't see the scumminess in this post:

I don't know the statistics on flips on people who choose to play like dicks like Peace here but regardless I'd like to go for the slightly more subtler scummy players and mozamis is currently leading in that category IMO.
Still if peace is the consensus lynch of the day I have no problem hammering him/voting him if other wagons clearly won't work and if he continues to play like posts 51 and 52.
Skelda out of interest, did that argument work when you were scum i.e. was it effective? Also what breed of goat is that?

I mean, there is a point to lynching VIs/trolls/lurkers/people who aren't actually going to play the game on day 1, but the whole I'll vote him but not really thing - take a stance, call him out on not actually playing - the wording here just screams scum at me, especially considering how early it is on day 1 (and nothing in that post suggests that you're looking ahead to the end of the day). You don't know what is going to come up during the course of the day, so given how remarkably little information there is, it just seems like any plans are going to have to change, so why make them now instead of seeing what happens?

Really, though, Honig, you're awfully upset about one person in a 13 player game finding two early posts scummy - why are you so defensive, so concerned about my suspicion of you? I want out of RVS early, so I poke at people - and you just completely melted down, which is really interesting considering how little pressure you were under, and that in and of itself is scummier than anything else that I voted you for.

I pointed out BA's fluffposting because I saw it, and I wanted other people to be aware of it. What's wrong with that?

These posts:

Nice. So 3 votes on me for no reason. and 4 votes on peacebringer. Also because of his playstyle.

I also like how Skelda just randomly jumps on the peacebringer wagon. RVS much?

Interesting. Someone is already at L-1.

are problematic. Note that, for the first one, mnemonic's vote was still on project matt - which he essentially admitted was a RVS vote - yet he's expressing suspicion of Skelda. Why leave an RVS vote in place when there is actual content, about which you are expressing an opinion, to base votes on?

@Project Matt I'm going to call you out through and ask why did you Vote Mozamis with out listing any reasons. I would actually like to hear some insight on how the game is going.

I'm not one that finds it necessary to supply large amounts of content at the beginning of the game as most of it is guesswork. This is why my first few posts have just been observations. I'll provide actual analysis soon since we're moving out of that stage.

Specifically, I very much disliked his attack on PeaceBringer and his attacks looked not like excited town but opportunistic scum.

Unvote

There is absolutely no way that a lynch is going through or a claim is being made yet.

Matt, if nobody supplies content at the beginning of the game, then where does the content come from?

I'm actually not seeing the mozamis suspicion. I see a failed joke and some vote hopping, but I really don't think that's a reliable tell this close to the beginning of the game, where we're just starting to see things coming out.

Can we drop the meta-that-may-not-be-discussed? Meta generally sucks, flirting with the edge of discussing ongoing games also sucks, doing so in an attempt to avoid saying anything for real keeps games from going anywhere.

[smargaret]

Finally. It took like three tries to post that because of all the ninjas.

[Skelda]

skelda, what do you think about his posts i linked...
post 30, where he says he would vote for JKLM, but he knows that's his posting style
as well as post 59, when he defends peace... when others were kind of getting their backs up at peace.
and post 61 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5341743

i know this is not a good argument... but i do that very thing as scum. whiteknight the people that town suspect.

I feel like his complacency isn't really that scummy. And him defending people surely isn't. But I really want to see his reaction to your accusations before I take a stance.

[JKLM]

skelda, what do you think about his posts i linked...
post 30, where he says he would vote for JKLM, but he knows that's his posting style
as well as post 59, when he defends peace... when others were kind of getting their backs up at peace.
and post 61 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5341743

i know this is not a good argument... but i do that very thing as scum. whiteknight the people that town suspect.

Except if he could tell you why it would make sense why he said that about me

In fact I think I already said that

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: mozamis
The Initial reason I voted him was that weird Skelda vote and the fact he voted peace with little reason. But everyone else thought Skelda was scum at the time so I can understand a vote now. I still think Skelda is town through.

I can answer mnemonicdevice post 106 when he says interesting and unvotes since i think the conversation was between me and him.
I think it's a response to me to saying that matt was being sarcastic saying he was scum by saying yes in post 25 to Mnemonic post 20. Mnemonic was under the impression in post 93 that matt said yes to being town in a one word answer. Through that is a pretty bad reason for a serious vote in the first place.......
The reason i think it was a serious vote was he also called out skelda in post 59 and didn't change his vote. Also post 93 gives me the impression he is still clinging onto that reason. Also like someone said before seemed to lack caring for someone being Lynch one this early in the game.

VOTE: Mnemonicdevice