Mini 304: This is NOT Any Kind of Mafia (Mod Abandoned)

[rajrhcpfreak]

no people who dont random vote because they dont feel like they have enough information to vote.

people who are voting for them self is just calling your self scummy.

[Drummer]

Clarification: when you say "being a dumbass", do you mean "voting for raj", or is there something else I missed?

I was drinking something when I read this. Luckily I didn't fry my computer when I burst into laughter.

As for the self-vote issue...yeah, it did start conversation, which was the obvious goal of cropcircles. However, I think it's more of what you'd call a weird sense of humor, not necessarily a declaration of self-scummedness. I do not feel that the self-votes are really all that against the idea of mafia...unless, of course, the player is still voting him/herself when the lynch comes about. That would be plain annoying.

[cropcircles]

WTF? Since when are random votes based on information?

[Tamuz]

You don't know how many people are caught in their 'random' votes in Newbies.
I've do it, LML has done it... I believe it is more often scum don't vote so to not keep benchmarks. Now this doesn't justify self-voting... it also doesn't leave a benchmark. But neither are your actions justified by your explanations Raj.

[ryanjunk]

Self-voting, random-voting, OMGUS-voting... all just here to tap the beehive and see what comes swarming out. This time around, raj flew out. This will be noted, but I'm not sure it means much. Minor FoS for raj and a teeny-tiny FoS to cropcircles for being a bit unorthodox. Then again, it's usually in the nature of scum to try and stay

away

from controversy, so it's a wash.

[VitaminR]

Raj, self-votes provoke reactions. Random votes don't. Players who start Day 1 with a purely random vote escape suspicion. The discussion is started by deviations from the random voting. The deviations betray the characteristics of the individual. I'd rather have some self-vote because it is unorthodox than everyone random vote, hoping discussion will somehow pop up.

[cropcircles]

Unvote, Vote No-Lynch

How's that for unorthodox? 8)

[rajrhcpfreak]

i cant take it any more.

kill: crop

kill: VitaminR

kill: Tamuz

crop are you back on to uselessness?

and good WIFOM ryan. but its not goning to save me.

[Drummer]

Careful with hostility, unless it's an April Fools joke. I haven't even considered voting for you yet, so I don't see you as being in much danger.

[Bacde]

Bah, this game will continually elude me with its changing names >_<

Based on page 5 only, I have to agree with VitaminR. I prefer it when people try to spark discussions, as opposed to evenly spreading random votes.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Careful with hostility, unless it's an April Fools joke. I haven't even considered voting for you yet, so I don't see you as being in much danger.

of course its APRILS FOOLS!!!

[Tamuz]

Self-voting, random-voting, OMGUS-voting... all just here to tap the beehive and see what comes swarming out. This time around, raj flew out. This will be noted, but I'm not sure it means much. Minor FoS for raj and a teeny-tiny FoS to cropcircles for being a bit unorthodox. Then again, it's usually in the nature of scum to try and stay

away

from controversy, so it's a wash.

Minor FoS? What the 'ell yo playin' at anyway. Your eggshelling makes me want to unvote raj and vote you, so yep I'mma do that.

unvote:overreactionraj vote: ryanjunk

[JechtMurray]

Minor FoS for raj and a teeny-tiny FoS to cropcircles for being a bit unorthodox. Then again, it's usually in the nature of scum to try and stay

away

from controversy, so it's a wash.

Stay away from controversy? What, you mean like half-fos-ing people and not have the spine to bold it?

[Tamuz]

Not just that, but only FOS'ing, if you may even call it that, the two under the most heat.

[Drummer]

*Looks at post 110*

So raj, you're basically saying that we're not going anywhere with this?

[Yosarian2]

Good point. There's absolutly no reason to be throwing around "teeny tine FOS's" on page 5 of day 1. Almost anything worth mentioning is worth a vote, unless you've already got a vote on someone who's even more suspicious.

unvote:raj

vote:ryanjunk

Still a little suspicious of raj, his early votes don't seem to make a lot of sense, but I think ryan's uber-cautious actions are more suspicious. I can't tell if ryan is trying to defend raj but fos him at the same time, or if he's trying to help raj's bandwagon along without being on it, or if he's just trying to say something without saying anything so as to not look like a lurker. No matter which one it is, though, it's suspicious.

[Tamuz]

You scare me Yos... I think you should be able to read me like a book, seeing as we think the same, and I've done the same with you in EE mafia

[Drummer]

Right now...I am assessing cropcircles. I know I wasn't too worried about his self-vote. But now he's going out of his way to be weird. Not sure which way to call it.

[Tamuz]

Hey, you changed your sig because of me Drummer. I'm touched.

[EmpTyger]

Drummer:
Figured out what I don’t like about [65]. You seem to be trying to subtly force someone else to put a vote onto cropcircles. All the while hedging yourself in [70]: voting him to put yourself early onto his bandwagon, with your exact reasoning noncommittal. This seems to be your play- subtly pushing bandwagons without committing yourself to anything. I don’t like it.

Vote: Drummer

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And “I do not feel that the self-votes are really all that against the idea of mafia”? The idea of mafia is to kill people of the opposite alignment. A player voting for themself is quite clearly not adhering to that.


VitaminR and cropcircles:
A random vote might tell little, but it does tell something. A selfvote has no value, since the player is obviously not truly valuing the vote (ie: they do not intend to lynch themselves). A random vote may or may not spark discussion, but if so, it will be based on content relevant to the game. The discussion sparked from the selfvote is based on metagame principles. I most *strongly* disagree with selfvoting. I have already explained why I am making an exception in this specific instance.


Jecht:

<snip>Stay away from controversy? What, you mean like half-fos-ing people and not have the spine to bold it?

Your accusation is rather ironic; you only thing you post there is something the person right above you just said, only weaker.


Adele:

<snip>No, not really. I've just seen selfvotes several times - both in place of a random vote and in a petulant fit when subject of a bandwagon - and I see them as intrinsically anti-town behaviour (much like lying or lurking). And I'm acting from that perspective from here on in, no exceptions.<snip>

Again, in general, I don’t disagree. And, I mean, it’s not like you didn’t give a warning. I just wanted to better understand the vehemence.


rajrhcpfreak:
You know, I actually understand your point. But as much as I’d agree with metagaming selfvoting, I’d much rather metagame poor sportsmanship. So, reading [94], I’m not really feeling like posting the defense I typed up for you. Maybe later.

[micigante]

rajrhcpfreak:
You know, I actually understand your point. But as much as I’d agree with metagaming selfvoting, I’d much rather metagame poor sportsmanship. So, reading [94], I’m not really feeling like posting the defense I typed up for you. Maybe later.

I really would like to see that defence...
I still don’t understand why Raj voted vitamin and not crop. If somebody does something that you find scummy (crop), you should vote for him, not for somebody else. If Rajrhcpfreak really did it only because he didn’t want to lynch crop two games in a row, than he gives me the impression of a scum that is looking for somebody to accuse, no matter who he is or what he did.

[Drummer]

And “I do not feel that the self-votes are really all that against the idea of mafia”? The idea of mafia is to kill people of the opposite alignment. A player voting for themself is quite clearly not adhering to that.

Bull honkey. I won't repeat myself. Read the rest of that post of mine that you quoted and you'll figure it out for yourself. That's not the meaning of my post

at all

. And it's rather obvious if you simply read the next line. I don't believe that you are stupid, so that leads me to think that you must be setting your sights on any certain player(me in this case) and trying to use any weak argument. That's mafia behavior.

FOS:EmpTyger

[Drummer]

Sorry, forgot to answer that first part of 119. EmpTyger, if you'll read it *carefully*, you may notice that I'm just being my old moronic self. I like to joke around and be an idiot. Both of those posts were almost pointless, simply filling space since nobody but a few players were talking. There is such a thing as reading into things to much, even in mafia.

[rajrhcpfreak]

rajrhcpfreak:
You know, I actually understand your point. But as much as I’d agree with metagaming selfvoting, I’d much rather metagame poor sportsmanship. So, reading [94], I’m not really feeling like posting the defense I typed up for you. Maybe later.

point taken.
i over reacted there.

but i am sticking to the Tamuz vote. hes telling me who i should vote for. crop is doing a useless thing agian two games in a row and vitr is helping him do so. so if i choose to vote vitr then its my choice. personally i could go for either of thier lynches but i pefer not to be an ass to a player two games in a row and since crop did it last game and was good i went with vitr.

[inHimshallibe]

A vote count is not here.