Mini 332 - Camp Scum Lake - Mod Abandoned

[yellowbounder]

Sorry ChannelDelibird, but I did actually put a FoS, on you, but only because you failed to notice that I posted, which is bad form, if nothing else.

My impression on varian, and Rosso Carne's "argument" is that both are as suspious as the other for becoming agressesive, but that's not neccerily the mark of scum. Sometimes it's the people who are anything

but

agressive that are the scummy, since they don't want to attract attention to themselves. But the whole thing is very WIFOM, so you can't scumerize someone just because they are agressive.

The current person I'm currently mildy suspitious about is Serinah80 for her quick random voting, and her bandwagoning of Rosso Carne.

[serinah80]

I think you're confusing the word 'impression' with 'argument' here. But anyway, I see the point you're trying to make about the random votes, serinah, but really after you've done one it's a bit pointless and needlessly confusing to do a second. I would normally interpret it as a way to mask not wanting to lynch the person you originally random voted for.

ChannelDelibird got my meaning. I forgot that you use the word "impress" with a positive meaning only in English. My apologies.

And thanks for clearing up the reason why continuous random voting can be suspicious. I hadn't thought about it. You mean, that if I and Maverick were a scum, I could easily make him my random vote and then quicly change it to mask a cooperation?
Well, that's not what happened here. I was just being silly.

Alright, Unvote: Serinah80, Vote:ChannelDelibird
You keep coming in and agreeing with what everyone else is saying, you don't add anything to discussions that is your own opinion to help us get more information. All you have done is make votes for no reason, and then agree with what other people are saying when you unvote. To me it seems like a desperate attemp to get the finger off of yourself.

- Maverick.



I'm not sure that ChannelDelibird hasn't shared his own ideas nor given new helpful information. But even if it is true, it does not show that he's a scum. I don't think I have either. You can hardly say that comment about knives is relevant, can't you?
Another thought. If CB would not post his reflections on the situation, you could accuse him in lurking. And I think you would.

Which brings me to my main thought. Why are you so jumpy and pointing at everyone all the time? Your actions are far more suspecious than ChannelDelibird's.

Unvote Rosso Crane

Fos: Maverick.

[Maverick]

Finally some good discussion. I've been overly aggressive the entire game on purpose and nobody, until now has noticed.. or at least said anything about it. All I'm trying to do is to start conversation that will actually lead to something, not trying to make myself suspicious.

As of now, I'm happy with my vote on ChannelDelibird, because I still say that he's trying too hard to cover something. He may not be scum, but from all we have to go by, in my opinion he is the most suspicious.

Oh and Serinah80, just so you know you didn't bold your unvote so the mod won't get it.

[B Rob]

Unvote Vote: Twito

who has posted twice the entire game. (Well, it should be considered one post, since one is right after the other.)

[Twito]

Well I'm here. Just hadn't had time to read through topic so I haven't posted. I wanna have base on my votes or I just stick with random.

My testweek is ending so I should have time to go through everything soon enough.

[Varian]

Unvote Vote: Twito

who has posted twice the entire game. (Well, it should be considered one post, since one is right after the other.)

Pot, meet Kettle.

You've only posted 3 times, including that one.

[Twito]

Unvote Vote: Twito

who has posted twice the entire game. (Well, it should be considered one post, since one is right after the other.)

Pot, meet Kettle.

You've only posted 3 times, including that one.

:D So I just went past him with this post?
Well I'm really gonna try to find time to read through thread tomorrow but now I need some sleep.

[B Rob]

Unvote Vote: Twito

who has posted twice the entire game. (Well, it should be considered one post, since one is right after the other.)

Pot, meet Kettle.

You've only posted 3 times, including that one.

I don't mind being accused of being inactive when I am, but I don't want others who are inactive to go unnoticed.

Unvote

as the purpose was served.

Right now my biggest suspect is Maverick. I'll have some time to post more detail later, but I honestly can't right now.

[B Rob]

Alright,

Unvote: Serinah80, Vote:ChannelDelibird

You keep coming in and agreeing with what everyone else is saying, you don't add anything to discussions that is your own opinion to help us get more information. All you have done is make votes for no reason, and then agree with what other people are saying when you unvote. To me it seems like a desperate attemp to get the finger off of yourself.

You said it yourself, it's day one and there isn't much to go on. I don't see this from ChannelDelibird, and even if I did I wouldn't call this behavior scummy so early in the game.

Finally some good discussion. I've been overly aggressive the entire game on purpose and nobody, until now has noticed.. or at least said anything about it. All I'm trying to do is to start conversation that will actually lead to something, not trying to make myself suspicious.

As of now, I'm happy with my vote on ChannelDelibird, because I still say that he's trying too hard to cover something. He may not be scum, but from all we have to go by, in my opinion he is the most suspicious.

This is the post that makes Maverick suspicious to me. Overly aggressive? I think you're trying to paint yourself as something you aren't in order to get away with a little more then you ordinarily would.

Vote: Maverick

[Rosso Carne]

Sorry I havent been on in a bit.

Just to end this, I like getting into an argument and be a jerk D1, as its the only way to get any information out of anyone. I didnt want to start a major bicker contest, but explosions on D1 have always helped in later days. And no one take any true offense to this, but if you think I'm bad, don't even think about playing with some others *cough*BJ*cough*AniX*cough*

As for t3h actual content. Serinah's actions through the game have been odd to me. I have some suspiscions as to who her partner may be if she turns out scum. 2 or 3 people have illustrated scummy behavior while trying to distance themselves from Serinah.

and btw

!list

and

aud: can we get a prod on warpdragon

as he hasnt checked in.

[B Rob]

As for t3h actual content. Serinah's actions through the game have been odd to me. I have some suspiscions as to who her partner may be if she turns out scum.

2 or 3 people have illustrated scummy behavior while trying to distance themselves from Serinah.

Who are these two or three people?

[TB]

I think it are Maverick, Channelbird and maybe Rosso Carne as well, just look back in the thread, it's all in page 2..

[B Rob]

I think it are Maverick, Channelbird and maybe Rosso Carne as well, just look back in the thread, it's all in page 2..

Thank you, but I want Rosso Carne's answer.

[ChannelDelibird]

Finally some good discussion. I've been overly aggressive the entire game on purpose and nobody, until now has noticed.. or at least said anything about it. All I'm trying to do is to start conversation that will actually lead to something, not trying to make myself suspicious.

I'm not sure I buy that. Just as people seem to be a little suspicious you've quickly tried to make your earlier approach to the game seem like a clever ploy.

FoS: Maverick

As of now, I'm happy with my vote on ChannelDelibird, because I still say that he's trying too hard to cover something.

He may not be scum,

but from all we have to go by, in my opinion he is the most suspicious.

Oh and Serinah80, just so you know you didn't bold your unvote so the mod won't get it.

Bolding mine.

Surely this is a contradiction. You think I'm trying to cover something up but you think I might not be scum - either it's one or the other, as a pro-town player has no need to cover-up. I really think you're trying to make something out of nothing here. And you certainly shouldn't be voting for me if you don't think I'm scum. I'm not going to vote yet though.

[audacesiuvat]

Vote Count:

Rosso Carne (3): yellowbounder, Varian, PBuG
ChannelDelibird (1): Maverick
Varian (1): Twito
Maverick (1): B Rob
PBuG (1): TB

Not Voting (5): warpdragon, Erotomachia, Rosso Carne, ChannelDelibird, serinah80

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

aud: can we get a prod on warpdragon

.

Warpdragon posted in the V/LA thread that he would be out until Monday. I'll give him a little more time to get settled before I prod him.

[Twito]

Rosso Carne first completely over reacted and replied something that made no sence since what Varian had said had nothing to do with him. He even votes based on this completely made up evidence. Then Varian pointed this out and (counter?)voted Rosso Carne for acting like moron. Rosso counter confirmvoted after that which is a scum tell to me.

Then ChannelDelibird fosses Varian for over reacting even though Rosso had first agressively over reacted.
serinah80 points out Rossos behavior and votes him.
Maverick votes serinah saying that serinah didn’t give argument againts Rosso when he voted even though he did. Looks like Maverick is trying to re-direct the conversation away from Rosso.
ChannelDelibird hops on serinah wagon.
Rosso unvotes his confirmed vote and fosses serinah for trying to start an early bandwagon on crap data even though there is currently an attempt to start wagon on serinah with worse data. Since when is placing the 3rd vote when it takes 7 so horrible?

B Rob makes his first post. Right away he fosses both Varian and Rosso saying that conversation is useless. Imo that has given some nice info.

ChannelDelibird unvotes Serinah80 as he notices that wagon didn’t catch fire. Doesn’t really give any reason as to why he unvotes.
Then agrees with B Rob hoping that ppl ignore the whole conversation.

Maverick Unvote: Serinah80, Vote:ChannelDelibird. No reason given for Serinah unvote other than the vote on ChannelDelibird which imo has some good points.

Serinah now unvotes Rosso Crane and fosses Maverick.

As interest againts earlier suspects has fallen B Rob now tries to direct the conversation on me with kinda shit reasons since he blames me for only posting 2 times and he himself has only posted 2 times.

Based on that:

Vote ChannelDelibird

and fosses on many others.

[Twito]

Sorry..

Unvote

Vote: ChannelDelibird

[serinah80]

unvote Rosso Crane

[serinah80]

I don't feel saying that they have been agressive in the beginning in everybody's best interest (to get the game going) means anything. Half the games start with someone claming that. It does not mean anything.
I personally think being agressive is not a nice thing to do.

Rosso, you said my actions have been odd to you. Odd how?

[ChannelDelibird]

Then ChannelDelibird fosses Varian for over reacting even though Rosso had first agressively over reacted.

I FoSsed Varian for over-reacting because of his suggestion that Rosso Carne had two accounts in the same game - that, I felt, was a bit much.

ChannelDelibird hops on serinah wagon.

Since when is placing the 3rd vote when it takes 7 so horrible?

ChannelDelibird unvotes Serinah80 as he notices that wagon didn’t catch fire. Doesn’t really give any reason as to why he unvotes.
Then agrees with B Rob hoping that ppl ignore the whole conversation.

You've just answered your own point, and I apologise for not making this clearer (I thought I had, but reading back I obviously didn't). I unvoted Serinah because I realised that 3 votes out of 7 is not really a substantial reason to vote for anyone.

A bit unsure now as to who deserves my vote.

[Rosso Carne]

First of all, @ BRob, I feel its better kept for now, and if you're going to hold it against me, just know that (assuming a supposed setup of 3 scum) the other pairs (assuming serinah turns up scum) are different dependent on later information. So with all these dependent variables, giving scum an out like that is a bad idea.

@ Serinah: I've always tended to think that voting someone with plausible (keyword) reasons, then pulling it off about 10 posts later without other plausible reasons is extremely scummy behavior. The "Vote, oh fuck, someone suspects me, unvote" syndrome.

[Maverick]

B Rob, your logic makes no since. You are throwing around your opinion in the most random ways.. it seems that you are just going by the quickest thing you can find. You were first a hypocrit and voted twito for the same thing you had done, then later basically said "Oh the point was served, just wanted him to post" and found the first other option you saw and said oh I think I'll vote maverick. So random. That's a little scummy in my opinion, but my votes stays because the more ChannelDelibird talks the more I find him suspicious.

[Erotomachia]

Maverick, you're the one who was "overly aggressive" just to create some discussion. If you're town, then you're just giving scum a good excuse to lynch you.

[warpdragon]

Hello all. Sorry for not posting more, but I was out of town.

I have read the thread and feel that Twito is trying to take up space and make it look like his posts mean anything. He also makes it look like he accidental messed up his unvoting of ChannelDelibird, however, he was never voting him to begin with. In fact, his vote should still be on varian. Interestingly enough, he neither names his fos's nor fos's CDB when he feints the unvote.

Vote: Twito

B Rob looks to be taking the easy way out with the lurker wagon but is in reality not helping the town because he did not even notice I had not said anything. The varian and rosso carne argument was a lot of overreaction but it did lead to some good discussion for dissection. ChannelDelibird also seems kind of suspicious, but maverick does as well. I'll need a little more time to sort that one out.

[Maverick]

That's not true, if I were to get lynched then people would see that I was town, and it would give them a better idea of who is scum. I'm not saying I should be lynched, nor am I saying that me being lynched would give town scum for sure. But I definately think it would narrow it down a bit.

Warp, I noticed that about Twito as well, but I didn't find it suspicious. Actually I thought it was kind of nice to have a summary of the game, although it was heavily weighted in his opinion it still gave a decent brief summary.