Open 544: Tit for Tat (Game Over)

[MTD]

Well, at least my comment in the dead QT was accurate ...

[Lucky2u]

I'm not sure if Sakura was complimenting me or insulting me for my play...

Thanks for modding either way!

[Titus]

This was really fun Sakura. You are a pretty good mod. I'm glad I subbed in here.

I love taking impossible games and winning them. Thing is, I usually come closer than expected if I don't win. So it's a relief to do something that was really hard.

If Ank was lynched day 2, we were likely totally boned though. You can't put one scum against a rolecop and a vig. It would require an immense amount of luck. That or jailkeeping myself and praying MTD never checked me.

[Saki]

i'm stupid

i should've claimed d3 and went for Titus after her comments regarding lucky and whether or not the vig should claim
that was my final stab at someone's alignment at that point and I definitely shouldn't have let Titus off the hook for disagreeing

I picked up on neil's fakeclaim and decided to shoot someone else, MTD was a gut-driven kill

i had suspicions regarding titus+ank d3 but then posts disappeared and I flaked for about 4ish days
that probably cost us the game imo and all I can do is apologize

[Saki]

yeah

all I can say is that I'm sorry

I didn't even crumb
Confbias on NSU-Titus
MTD kill was a half-assed decision
Gave up N3...

welp, nice going scum
sorry town ~_~

[neil1113]

My fake vig claim was to avoid the scum hunting down the vig at night and targeting me instead so the Vig had extra time to kill. I figured scum had a much better shot (0%) at killing me looking for the vig, then they do searching among everyone that was alive.

Saki, you played well. I honestly had my suspicions of you being the vig by the way you played, and I called it out once "I know what you're doing.." but when you aggressively responded to that statement, I didn't want to further that point and throw suspicion onto you from anyone else. I was trying to let you know that I knew what I was doing, because I was already preparing for the fake claim. I was trying to hint to you that I knew you were the vig, so when I claimed it, you wouldn't be like "OMG LYING SCUM!" but rather realize what I was doing, and use the opportunity to try and take out scum.

[Titus]

Yeah, the MTD kill shocked the living daylights out of me. Plus, it screwed the narrative up for the group and made MTD look like a scum kill. Totally beneficial.

I don't think you would have had much success with the grilling me for disagreeing. I was too interwoven with the town at that point Saki. Common practice is to NL at Mylo. I probably would have pushed it harder. It still was the best decision, given all four towns had to agree on a lynch plan.

[Saki]

Yeah, the MTD kill shocked the living daylights out of me. Plus, it screwed the narrative up for the group and made MTD look like a scum kill. Totally beneficial.

I don't think you would have had much success with the grilling me for disagreeing. I was too interwoven with the town at that point Saki. Common practice is to NL at Mylo. I probably would have pushed it harder. It still was the best decision, given all four towns had to agree on a lynch plan.

I would've grilled you for a combination of defending lucky, disagreeing with the vig claiming, and having that sudden trajectory switch to dopog
imo I thought you would go after Lucky or Ank after the neil lynch, not jon (assuming you were town)

idk if it would've worked tho, like you said

[Sakura Hana]

Glad you guys liked the game, it was pretty fun to mod (not so fun on the replacement part sadly), also i was like "WTH IS SAKI DOING" during Night 2, specially considering he switched targets twice.

PEd: It wouldn't have worked whatever you did N3 Saki anyway coz you were jailed and it didn't matter who they or you killed

[Sakura Hana]

oh wait, i misread, oops.

[Saki]

stupid jk

[Ankamius]

It was pretty obvious you were the vig once dopog flipped VT. The kills made absolutely no sense from jon.

[Titus]

Agreed. My initial reluctance on Saki was fueled by Saki not killing me.

[Loranthaceae]

I'm really rather pissed about the outcome of this game, pissed about the fact that people can't seem to be able to finish a fucking game that they sign up for, my fellow townies, myself and forum mafia in general.

Loranthaceae

Never overestimate yourself, the fact that you kept going "I'm certain you're scum, let's lynch you so I can get my scummy" it's not how you lead town, you explain to town why the person is scum not say "I'm certain and you should all listen to me".

Thank you for your feedback. Solid modding.

Picard, thenewearth/Hayate and MTD gave off obvious townvibes. Flames/Zekrom and Hopkirk too, to a lesser extent.

The two mistakes I'd go back in time for to remedy have both to with trust. Not having accepted Tla as town for one. I should've decided to trust her at least until Ankamius flips. And I should've trusted Titus' intelligence.


Celebloki/Ankamius were so scummy I didn't even care to find out if I'm wrong. Once I built on that error of thought I lost empathy for the rest of town; despite knowing the possibility of looking scummy on one had and being easily discreditable by scum on the other I felt like this split push on Anka/Tla kept giving me and town the maximum amount of alignment indicative information. Even more so when Ank was trying to discredit me for it and alarm bells should've gone berserk once Titus called Ankamius' defense good and me scum. I honestly thought she could've been that bad as town.

When I'm VT I see myself as my own instrument, I don't care too much about acting persuasive in order to lead correctly or stuff like that. Which leads me to being pissed about forum mafia, it doesn't encourage this skill of being useful, doing what you have to do to find scum out for yourself, because it alienates you from your allies.

Conclusion: Tla, we could've gotten Ankamius lynched day2 and it would've been so beautiful. I'm sorry.

Ank, that meta tell might not have looked persuasive but it's 100% true. I don't mean literally saying *this reeks* but rather you are generally failing to fake investment in the game as scum. Especially in a catch up post it becomes obvious by your choice of issues to comment on. As town you filter out stuff that isn't important to make reads or discussion on and get passionate about the rest. If you could fake this without compromising getting mislynches you'd level up in skill significantly imo.

Titus, I know your victory has been more satisfying this way, so I don't feel bad for having repeatedly called you dumb.

I'm keeping my promise. See you in 2 years.

[Ankamius]

Deciding to push Tlachta C instead of me in D2 was the biggest mistake. It would have been significantly more difficult to throw enough doubt on your case to stay alive if you had tunneled on me from the start.

[pieguyn]

gg
happy Titus was able to do my slot justice \:D/

pieguy / Varsoon
Pay more attention to the game so you aren't replaced out and then go "Oh fuck i didnt think i had that many prods" really =/

sorry Sakura. I still feel so bad about this

I was making fun of Varsoon in our hydra QT so hard bc everyone was townreading me and scumreading him. on the other hand I would have cracked immediately if he wasn't backing me up so I owe a lot to him <3

[neil1113]

So is that a yes or a no to the scum QT? Lol

[Ankamius]

We're waiting on Mala.

[Titus]

Let's just do it. 2 to 1 hammers and she hasn't objected anyway.

[Titus]

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/kgu2BqDHKxBY8

[jon_h61]

I'll take a lot of the blame for the loss (I deserve it) Titus you fooled me for a large portion of the game. Believe it or not, if dopog had come back and posted, I was probably going to switch my vote to you. But that's all moot now.

I'm going to try a lot harder not to let someone get my goat, cough neil, it sidetracked my scum hunting. Town tearing Town apart again.

Congrats scum team, I feel you deserved the win. The next time I play with Titus, I'll be watching her like a hawk. She's got too many scum wins. For some reason she was the only player who had meta I didn't read.

[Titus]

I'm debating getting an alt for the reasons you've said Jon. I have no less than 3 people who have relayed these sentiments spontaneously.

[Saki]

I'm debating getting an alt for the reasons you've said Jon. I have no less than 3 people who have relayed these sentiments spontaneously.

(people on this site totally don't alt-hunt like hungry hyenas)

[LlamaFluff]

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