Mafia 61: No Theme - Game over!

[Patrick]

Day 6 dawns with two more people dead.

Firstly, you find CrashTextDummie dead in a back alley. Clearly he'd been staying out too late, and was an easy target, having been shot twice in the head from behind. To the suprise of some, a search of his home reveals that he was, like Skruffs before him, a tracker, and loyal to the town.

The second victim last night was Lowell, who was also shot through the head, in the doorway of his own home. There's no need for tears this time though, as Lowell was one of the infiltrators in the town. You sling his body in a ditch after burying CrashTextDummie, and then the seven of you gather in the town square to dispense some more justice.

CrashTextDummie (Tracker) shot night 5.

Lowell (Mafia) shot night 5.

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Day 6. With 7 alive, 4 votes will be enough to lynch.

[Battle Mage]

well i'm still alive. lol
As is my protection target.

BM

[Seol]

well i'm still alive. lol
As is my protection target.

BM

Why did you decide against protecting an investigative role

again?

[Battle Mage]

well i'm still alive. lol
As is my protection target.

BM

Why did you decide against protecting an investigative role

again?

lol i've been protecting investigative roles every night up until now. Amazingly, i felt there were more valuable people to be protected. Significantly people who werent high on my suspect list.

[Mastermind of Sin]

well i'm still alive. lol
As is my protection target.

BM

Erm...obviously your protection target is still alive, because if you had protected one of the dead people, they wouldn't be dead...

[Mastermind of Sin]

By the way, guess what? Seol is not the SK. haha.

[Seol]

well i'm still alive. lol
As is my protection target.

BM

Why did you decide against protecting an investigative role

again?

lol i've been protecting investigative roles every night up until now. Amazingly, i felt there were more valuable people to be protected. Significantly people who werent high on my suspect list.

Are you counting Rand as an investigative role? Or MoS after the SK is dead? Because neither can really tell us anything useful compared to the tracker, or the other dead claimed tracker you didn't protect, or the dead claimed gunsmith you didn't protect.

It's almost as if you didn't want them alive...

[Mastermind of Sin]

To be fair, Rand was an investigative role for proving TCS innocent, but not useful after that. However, I agree that Skruffs and LFBProd were more important to protect. I didn't trust CTD's claim, so I probably wouldn't have protected him either, to be honest.

[theopor_COD]

I need a fresh re-read as I've not had a proper one since I replaced in.

[Jalyn]

A. I also need a decent reread, which I'm not going to get to for a bit.

B. Nice shot TCS

C. Now that there's no chance of the SK taking out BM, I'd like to note once again that I am not at all happy with his claim. I'm not sure at which point it becomes the correct move to lynch him, but I'm getting close. CTD's claim wasn't bulletproof but neither Skruffs nor LFBProd should have died while we have a living doctor. I'm going to do a reread of BMII and his predecessor(s?) when I have a chance.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Let's lynch Theopor. Tonight I'll vig BM.

The fact that a doctor has:

a) Failed to protect the obvious player

three times

b) Lived through two nights after claiming

Means that TCS kills him. No mercy this time; not even a little.

[Battle Mage]

lol i had a slight inkling this might happen. If it matters, i protected TCS last night. It was a toss up between him and Rand, but i figured Rand probably wasnt as useful anymore. I thought a Vig who i believed was more valuable than a Tracker that i really didnt believe.
And its frigging obvious why i'm still alive-the scum know that i generally slip up as Doc where i dont know who to protect. A nice idea might have been for you to have TOLD ME who to bloody protect, after you realised that i might not get it right.
Its also pretty damn obvious WHO the mafia member who has chosen not to NK me is, because its the one individual here who had prior knowledge of my poor play as a power role. Unfortunately, its the one player who has come in defending me
As it is, i think we are in a good situation. I need to read through to confirm whether my main suspect is still my main suspect, or whether this mornings revelation changes anything.
But before you blame me for not protecting every kill on every night, you should note that Scot-SK didnt manage his NK every night. Now, this might be stupid, but i'd like to assume that it might just be because he was blocked. Maybe by a Doc.

I'll be back later to read through a bit and place my vote. In the meantime, if anyone has any suggestions on who to protect tonight, please fire away, so at least you can take some damn responsibility, rather than blaming me.

BM

[Seol]

lol i had a slight inkling this might happen. If it matters, i protected TCS last night. It was a toss up between him and Rand, but i figured Rand probably wasnt as useful anymore. I thought a Vig who i believed was more valuable than a Tracker that i really didnt believe.

That's actually a fair call (unlike some of the previous choices).

And its frigging obvious why i'm still alive-the scum know that i generally slip up as Doc where i dont know who to protect. A nice idea might have been for you to have TOLD ME who to bloody protect, after you realised that i might not get it right.

No, that wouldn't have been a nice idea at all. Directing the doc is a really bad idea.

Its also pretty damn obvious WHO the mafia member who has chosen not to NK me is, because its the one individual here who had prior knowledge of my poor play as a power role. Unfortunately, its the one player who has come in defending me

I really don't like these appeals to emotion. In case it's genuine, I'll start a Basic Advice for Power Roles thread in MD after the game and we can discuss how to make effective nightchoices.

But before you blame me for not protecting every kill on every night, you should note that Scot-SK didnt manage his NK every night. Now, this might be stupid, but i'd like to assume that it might just be because he was blocked. Maybe by a Doc.

Or it could be that he was a succession of inactive players. On that subject,

mod: could you please note the previous players in a role where someone replaced in for the dead as well as the living?

[Battle Mage]

if its all the same, id rather you didnt start a thread about me in MD. They tend to end up as flamefest. After the game, we can discuss via pm if you like.

in the meantime, i'd like to hear why TCS thinks Theo is a good play for today.

BM

[Battle Mage]

also, Seol, have you already claimed targets?
if not, i'd like to hear them. If so, it'd be nice if you could direct me to them. lol

BM

[Patrick]

mod: could you please note the previous players in a role where someone replaced in for the dead as well as the living?

I've changed the layout slightly to include this information.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually, BM, I believe that the theory I presented earlier is probably the most accurate explanation for why the SK hasn't killed every night, and also the reason why we were able to figure out Scot was the SK. There is always the possibility of a protect, block, or double-kill (Skruffs), but inactivity seems to be the best answer, now that we know for sure that that role was the SK.

Also, it would explain why there was only one SK kill, since the players that had that role have never been active.

[Seol]

if its all the same, id rather you didnt start a thread about me in MD. They tend to end up as flamefest. After the game, we can discuss via pm if you like.

That's understandable, but it wasn't going to be about you, it's just inspiration to write a Mafia essay and get some discussion up. I wasn't going to mention you or this game.

I don't think I did confirm targets, they are:

Night 1: Not activated
Night 2: No choice (mod told me spectrumvoid chose to do nothing, which doesn't quite gel with what spectrumvoid said)
Night 3: Block DGB
Night 4: Block theopor
Night 5: Block Lowell

[Seol]

mod: could you please note the previous players in a role where someone replaced in for the dead as well as the living?

I've changed the layout slightly to include this information.

Thanks, much appreciated!

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Those I deem innocent

Rand Althor: Should be treated as confirmed criminologist.
The Central Scrutiniser: Confirmed Vig
Mastermind of Sin: I believe him to be pro-town, because of the "cop-investigation" play

Those I deem questionable

Battle Mage 2: claimed Doc, poor results of which I have pointed out
Seol (replacing spectrumvoid): claimed backup roleblocker, a claim I still don't believe

Those of no claiming and stuff

theopor_COD (replacing Kilroy8675 who replaced pevergreen)
Jalyn (replacing Blahgo)

I think that we need to confirm Seol tonight. Seol should roleblock Rand Althor, who should also receive Doc protection and investigate a corpse. If Rand is not blocked, then we know Seol is lying scum. If Rand is blocked, then Seol is confirmed. If any party refuses to participate in this plan, I suggest we lynch them. Because then we:

Lynch Theopor, vig Jalyn

And end up tomorrow with some combination of

Mos
TCS
Battle Mage
Rand
Confirmed/Unconfirmed Seol

If Seol is confirmed roleblocker, or something fuxxors with that plan, then we lynch BM. If Seol is not confirmed, we lynch him. Or you could no-lynch one day just to be extra fun.

But my plan is full of win. So we lynch Jalyn or Theopor, and I vig the other. If any of you has concrete evidence of either of their innocence, then we lynch the other and I vig BM.

[Seol]

The plan looks sound to me.

[Battle Mage]

hold on a sec. Your plan has some very definable holes. One is your misconstruing of who can actually be deemed as CONFIRMED innocents.
As far as i'm concerned, MoS is not confirmed innocent. I'm sure he'll agree, that, from a practical point of view, he could still potentially be scum. You wonder why i have issues knowing who to protect, when i'm getting fed lies?

Now, i'd also like to tackle this issue of me being a suspect. Now, i'm no more confirmed than MoS is, but even so, i'd like to think you have more sense than to Vig a claimed doc. You have alot of power TCS, and i dont want you to use wrongly, so rather than let you do something stupid (as i have done) i'll tackle this with you now.

Do you seriously think i am scum?

And last but not least, why do you think Jalyn and Theo are our last two scum? Because they havent claimed? You have to be kidding me...
Why not do something really revelationary, and ask them to claim!?

fyi, i believe Seol now. Either he is clever scum who bothered to read the thread and corroborate his story with others, or he is genuinely an RB. His story coincides with that of confirmed town CTD at least, so i think that is some confirmation.

BM

Those I deem innocent

Rand Althor: Should be treated as confirmed criminologist.
The Central Scrutiniser: Confirmed Vig
Mastermind of Sin: I believe him to be pro-town, because of the "cop-investigation" play

Those I deem questionable

Battle Mage 2: claimed Doc, poor results of which I have pointed out
Seol (replacing spectrumvoid): claimed backup roleblocker, a claim I still don't believe

Those of no claiming and stuff

theopor_COD (replacing Kilroy8675 who replaced pevergreen)
Jalyn (replacing Blahgo)

I think that we need to confirm Seol tonight. Seol should roleblock Rand Althor, who should also receive Doc protection and investigate a corpse. If Rand is not blocked, then we know Seol is lying scum. If Rand is blocked, then Seol is confirmed. If any party refuses to participate in this plan, I suggest we lynch them. Because then we:

Lynch Theopor, vig Jalyn

And end up tomorrow with some combination of

Mos
TCS
Battle Mage
Rand
Confirmed/Unconfirmed Seol

If Seol is confirmed roleblocker, or something fuxxors with that plan, then we lynch BM. If Seol is not confirmed, we lynch him. Or you could no-lynch one day just to be extra fun.

But my plan is full of win. So we lynch Jalyn or Theopor, and I vig the other. If any of you has concrete evidence of either of their innocence, then we lynch the other and I vig BM.

[Seol]

hold on a sec. Your plan has some very definable holes. One is your misconstruing of who can actually be deemed as CONFIRMED innocents.
As far as i'm concerned, MoS is not confirmed innocent. I'm sure he'll agree, that, from a practical point of view, he could still potentially be scum. You wonder why i have issues knowing who to protect, when i'm getting fed lies?

He didn't actually call MoS confirmed. I read it as he considers MoS to be "highly likely innocent", and if I'm reading him right, although there isn't any specific rolebased information to support that, I agree with him. Sometimes you end up in situations where you can't clear everyone, and then you have to make judgments. This seems like a reasonable judgment to me.

Now, i'd also like to tackle this issue of me being a suspect. Now, i'm no more confirmed than MoS is, but even so, i'd like to think you have more sense than to Vig a claimed doc.

Are you arguing you shouldn't be a suspect because you've claimed doc?

And last but not least, why do you think Jalyn and Theo are our last two scum? Because they havent claimed? You have to be kidding me...
Why not do something really revelationary, and ask them to claim!?

Firstly they have both claimed (vanilla townie), and secondly the point of this plan is not that TCS is sure they are the last two scum, but this allows us the best chance of covering all the likely possibiities.

fyi, i believe Seol now. Either he is clever scum who bothered to read the thread and corroborate his story with others, or he is genuinely an RB. His story coincides with that of confirmed town CTD at least, so i think that is some confirmation.

That's true, I'm now at least confirmed as having targetted theopor with a non-lethal action, which is about as good a level of confirmation as we have on anyone at the moment.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm sorry, I missed where CTD claimed to have investigated SV/Seol.

Scratch the Seol part of the plan. We have 4 confirmed/near positive innocents. The name of the game is to make the other three die as quickly as possible. This game is in the bag. We lynch one of the remaining three and I vig another tonight.

[theopor_COD]

If I have to die to prove my innocence so be it.

I would obviously rather one of the other uncofirmed bodies was lynched first mind. And yeh BM is not confirmed yet.

I'm thinking we're only dealing with one remaining scum and to be honest after I've re-read I think we should be able to gather from the other four dead scum who that may be. My only issue with that is I'm pretty confident that I'll find SV the scummiest.