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Votecount:
Ether (3): Skruffs, Bookitty, NabakovNabakov
Korlash (1): Erg0
Erg0 (1): Ryan
NabakovNabakov (2): Elmo, Ether
Not voting (2): Korlash, The Fonz.
With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch. At deadline, the one with the most votes is lynched. In case of a tie I will look at who reached the highest amount of votes first.
Votecount:
Ether (3): Skruffs, Bookitty, NabakovNabakov
Korlash (1): Erg0
Erg0 (1): Ryan
NabakovNabakov (2): Elmo, Ether
Not voting (2): Korlash, The Fonz.
With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch. At deadline, the one with the most votes is lynched. In case of a tie I will look at who reached the highest amount of votes first.
awwww Ergo0! <3
It's late, so this is kinda brief and going partially on memory, so forgive me if I screw up.
6: He FoSsed him because there were too many votes on, if I remember.. this was a wagon that got a lot of attention, I feel he took a measured response to darko, actually; I think a FoS instead of a vote is the way to go. A lot of people were into the darko wagon, I can't say I find much wrong with that for a day 1 wagon. If there's anything scummier, I've missed, say.
9: I don't disagree with ryan's stance on giving up; it's unproductive and annoying when a townie just kind of whimpers and says "oh, if you all hate me so myuch, why don't you just lynch me
"; "I would hope if you are town you'd fight like heck so we don't lynch you" which I do agree with. I interpret what he says as "I think you're town but you need to defend yourself better if you're town" which seems perfectly reasonable to me.24&28: I can buy the playstyle thing. Certainly Sir T says he's been more aggressive in the past, I haven't followed that up but we know Sir T is town and I think we can rely on his judgement to this extent. iirc he accepts ryan's explanation that he's changed his playstyle later on; I haven't metagamed, but I think I'd go with that too, personally.
36: Yeah, I could see that happening in isolation, but he has a short interchange with SSF that ends up with him saying SSF is acting "almost like you'd rather see him gone regardless of his role" which seems to be moving in the opposite direction.
54: Kind of agree. I'm not sure if missing the point is intentional or not.
85: Mmm, that is interesting. I would be more inclined to think this was scummy if was about a more important subject, the whole thing just seems like pointless noise to me.
129: Could be, in isolation; I can't really see the point. Guardian is already pretty jumbled up, it seems. It's more liable to be genuine frustration that ryan is defending him and getting flak for it, I think.
147: Yeah, I really don't think Guardian was smart to say that, but I wouldn't put much stock in it personally. I can kind of see someone thinking it significant, I guess.. I think what's going on to do with "You're starting to make me wonder if I was completely wrong about you and your allignment." like, the combination of the fact he's getting flak is biasing him against continuing to find Guardian town a bit... I don't know ryan very well, but I would guess that finding something like that suspicious is consistent with him. Is good point, though.
162/167: I don't think you've misrepresented him deliberately, but my impression is a little different than what you state here. In 162 he says "The problem with people who play this way is they do it as town or as scum and you can never really get a read on them. I think more content is obviously needed from YB but I'm not sure if we can use his lack of participation as anything more than somebody who might need replaced" which would seem to indicate that he thinks YB's lack of content is null, which I would agree with. He then votes YV in 167 saying "I'd like to see some more thought into your posts and some actual suspicions/opinions", so basically a lurker vote. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Hm, if there's something not mentioned, then I don't see how it's meant to be scummy.
I think I understand where you're coming from with respect to the flying under the radar thing, now. I also think a lot of it could potentially be explained by playstyle.. now, I know a lot of bad things come from people just claiming playstyle to cover whatever wrongs they've committed recently, but I can reasonably see a lot of it being caused by a shift in his playstyle away from (apparently) his usual aggressive self. I haven't looked in detail, and I don't know entirely what you mean by the obvious change in playstyle from day 1, but assuming that's true (and I understand what you mean) then I certainly I think the way he was very reserved relative to normal and had to be called out means that
he has actually recently shifted it away from being aggressive
. I should probably also mention (if I didn't) that I replaced a scumbuddy of his in Big Brother (albeit when he was dead), and offhand I really don't think ryan exhibits that kind of flying-under-the-radar tell as scum. Certainly his play is different from that game, I think; so he has shifted playstyles a bit, but I can only see a pro-town or null reason for that. Either he's shifted styles because it suits him better (null) or he's shifted it because he wants to avoid mislynches this game (pro-town). So I think there is merit there on a few issues, but I don't agree with the meat of the case.I think Erg0's case on ryan is genuine, actually. I think he's wrong, but it certainly makes me feel better about him, at the moment. Which is nice!
