Mini 1586: shoot yourself in the foot mafia (game over)

[Rob14]

I assume they are role related if I can get both of them, but I don't know so.

Who and empking are my targets and the kills have been sent in.

Did we win?

[Who]

I'm guessing so (I think it's Empking), but I don't know.

If it isn't Empking then I would have to say it's probably Rob.

[Empking]

I'm guessing so (I think it's Who), but I don't know.

If it isn't Who then I would have to say it's probably Rob. Although I've no idea how that would be balanced, but I've no idea about the balance in this game at all.

[CooLDoG]

I assume they are role related if I can get both of them, but I don't know so.

Who and empking are my targets and the kills have been sent in.

Did we win?

Who is a good shot. His claim and participation in the game were both eneimic. Empking is also a not too terrible shot. Although Emp's reactions were somewhat better. Both are good shots from what we have to work with.

So at this point we hit scum and we win, right?

So in my mind the remaining scum (assuming we miss) is jarg.

[TheButtonmen]

Who has been killed!

Unfortunately you can't find any evidence on his body or in his room about who he is or what role he played in this string of deaths.

[Jargonaut]

No flip...? We got flips for the other people Rob and Elyse shot. I'd guess there must have been something attached to Who's role that hid his flip. Idk if that would make him more likely to be scum or town though. Either way there's still scum alive.

Rob did you really shoot empking?

[Empking]

There's absolutely no reason for Who to not have mentioned his lack of flip if it was part of his role. Even if he was, as I expect, scum.

[Jargonaut]

Idk, I can't see why scum who would claim it, but now that I think about it, town who would have wanted to claim after he knew he was shot so that we would have more info. So either who was scum or his flip was hidden due to something other than his role, in all likelihood.

[CooLDoG]

If who was scum we would have won the game by now. Because if it was a three man scum team we wouldn't have been able to lynch yesterday, or it would have been pretty fucking difficult to rope up scum.

Okay so there are 4 people left.
Empking
Jarg
CooLDoG
Rob

So, at least for me, the scum are between jarg and empking. But actually if this is true then we can win by killing one lynching the other. So basically town has won, gg. Unless rob is a god like scum player at which point I will eat my pants.

So rob, it doesn't really matter who you kill... Now, personally of the two I think emp is more likely to be town because of his reaction to the elyse fake kill on him. But this is all a matter of history and for post game talk, which I am looking forward to because I still don't completely understand this set-up.

[Rob14]

I am a god-like scum player, with a win rate >75%, but not this game, my friend. Now I'm shooting empking for realz yo.

[CooLDoG]

I am a god-like scum player, with a win rate >75%, but not this game, my friend. Now I'm shooting empking for realz yo.

fine, let's see if we have to lynch.

[CooLDoG]

So, Cooldog. Since we're a super town bloc of awesomeness, I'll let you pick. Who should I shoot first?

Although this post makes me sad. I mean, you offer a guy who you want to shoot and then you just do it your self. Anyway go town, gg

[Rob14]

You took too long, you nub.

[TheButtonmen]

Empking the Mafia 1-Shot Neighbouriser

has been killed!

[Jargonaut]

...ok so there are 3 scum, only who wasn't one of them.

Empking flipping scum is surprising. I'm going to ISO him and HD for any assosciatives.

[Rob14]

Ok, the LyLo is real. I'd like to think that the scum is Jargo and my town read on Cooldog is right, but let's take our time and play this out, just in case.

Thus, even if empking were town, he would want to shoot Elyse, otherwise he would risk himself or his partner getting shot tomorrow.

Why do you seem to know in this post that Elyse is going to continue getting a gun?

Also, based on the setup, does anyone have any reason why we SHOULDN'T no lynch? There's a possibility (remote - it would require a broken setup - but still a possibility) that I'd get two guns AGAIN if we no lynched, which would be a guaranteed win for town, since I could shoot you both at the same time.

I'm going to ask the mod a question quickly as well:

@Mod - When you resolve kills, if one PM were to come to you with two daykill shots, would they resolve one after another (i.e. someone has to choose one to go first) or simultaneously? If you don't want to answer this in-thread for fear of somehow confirming me, please answer by PM.

[CooLDoG]

Why would you not get 1 gun after we lynched, rob? I mean, you either lynch right and win or you get a gun and win.

[Jargonaut]

@Rob: At that point I had been thinking the guns were permanent. I mentioned it in that same post.

So we have 3 scum. If they gave out both guns, then they would have to give one to town and Rob getting both wouldn't make sense. If they gave out one and town gave out one, then we should expect there to be a gun giver role, which isn't the case. I doubt scum would not get to control the kills at all, do there must be more to the setup. I want to assume this game isn't bastard.

[Rob14]

@Cooldog - I had two guns today - why wouldn't I have two guns tomorrow?

@Jargonut - With three scum (or more! Who could STILL be scum) in the game, it's decisively scum-sided unless there is a heavy mechanic to swing it back in town's favor. That type of mechanic COULD be scum having no control over their kill.

Myko did think the mechanic in this game was significant enough to warrant specifying that the game has one in pre-game, which isn't normally done.

Waiting on the mod at this point, before we do anything.

Question: Anyone have any idea what TBN stands for? I wonder if that holds any clues.

[Jargonaut]

To be named?

[Rob14]

Ah, ok. Yeah, nothing there.

@Myko - I think it's a bit late for your game to still be called TBN. <3

[TheButtonmen]

If multiple actions were submitted simultaneously they would be resolved using NAR, in the example you're using of two kill actions this would result in me resolving them simultaneously.

[CooLDoG]

Okay, via mod conformation I only have one chance to win this game. And I hope to god jarg is scum.

So yeah, I'm a scum janitor.

There are 2-2man scum teams that have to give a gun to townies therefore, according to TBM, I would lose the game if just me and rob were alive. Therefore the only way I can win is to claim scum here and hope jarg is part of the other scum team. At which point we lynch rob and draw the game tomorrow.

vote: rob

Goddamn it rob shoot fucking jarg first instead of empking would have won the damn game.

Made a wrong play to janitor last night, but whatever.

[Rob14]

Guess I should have asked that to the mod via PM. BLAH

Well, I'm assuming Who is scum, because being the ONLY townie that has a hidden flip would be very odd, and I would yell at Myko later if it were the case.

Care to tell me who your partner was, out of curiosity, CooLDog?

Jargonaut, if you have no scumkill, then we two can still tie the game instead of allowing CooLDog to tie the game with you. Give me the gun tomorrow. CooLDog will have to give either YOU the gun, or ME the gun. Either way, I'll let you draw it with the town instead of Cooldog, because I'm annoyed that I was wrong about him.

Vote: No Lynch

[Jargonaut]

Uhhh.

Glad I wasn't crazy thinking CD was totally scum. Originally though I'd figured it was Who and Empking though.

I'm fairly sure Rob would win if we ended up 1v1.
VOTE: Rob

If I understand the situation correctly, tomorrow will be a competition to see which of us is QuickDraw McGraw