Open 561: Farmer's Market (Game Over)

hayatoBL · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:29 am

I'm going to make an exercise for you guys to show the effectiveness of my plan. This is probably my last straw. If still no one sees it, then I'll stop trying.

hayatoBL · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:51 am

It is Day 4! We are in LyLo! There are 5 players left, two of which are scum, Surviving players: A,B,C,F and G. Dead players: X,X,X,X,X,X (not important)

D1, Town decided on a list. People should give fruits to the right.

List D1: A,B,C,X,X,F,G,X,X,X,X

Results after N1. Players, whose fruit wasn't received: A,B,X,X

Town reshuffle the list. People should give fruits to the right. List D2: B,X,F,C,X,X,G,X,A

Results after N2. Players, whose fruit wasn't received: C,G,X

Town reshuffle the list. People should give fruits to the right. List D3: C,X,B,G,F,A,X

Results after N3. Players, whose fruit wasn't received: F

Now is D4. Who is scum?

Answer: One player is conf scum. Two players are conf town. Can anybody tell me who is conf-town and conf-scum?

Hint: F is not conf-scum.

mathbandit · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:59 am

With your plan (or anything other than the other proposed plan), we are in LyLo after 3 mislynches.
With the other proposed plan, either we get a 4th mislynch without losing.

hayatoBL · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:12 am

BUT WE'LL HAVE CONF-TOWN AnD SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man, I give up. We'll do it your way. Whatever. I'm still not stupid.

Siveure DtTrikyp · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:45 am

I kinda see what hayato is planning.

But yeah, I say we just run it the other way. There aren't enough people who get it for us to not just get wiped out at night and screwed over.

Siveure DtTrikyp · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:56 am

Anyway hayato your example doesn't actually make sense. For instance, we have 7 people in that list N3 and 5 people D4. One died, sure, but where did the other go?

Bulge, the reason hayato doesn't actually agree with me is because he's scum? Ummm, okay?

And the fact bulge is trying to undermine my vote with my arguments is weirding me out. Uhhh, math is ALSO over-focusing on the fruits.

VOTE: Mathbandit

mathbandit · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:02 am

In post 80, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:Uhhh, math is ALSO over-focusing on the fruits.

VOTE: Mathbandit

I'm over-focussing on the fruits by pointing out that someone having a different game theory opinion doesn't make them Scum?

Kay.

hayatoBL · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:19 am

UNVOTE:

VOTE: mathbandit

@Mathbandit. Who is scum?

@Siveure
Why isn't the buldge scum anymore?

mathbandit · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:23 am

Not a clue. Nothing of note has happened yet. As far as I'm concerned, making sure no one fucks up and gives away our extra mislynch is the most important thing for the first bit of D1.

hayatoBL · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:23 am

In post 80, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:Anyway hayato your example doesn't actually make sense. For instance, we have 7 people in that list N3 and 5 people D4. One died, sure, but where did the other go?.

One was killed and one was lynched. The guy next to the lynched-guy then gives fruit to the next guy.

Siveure DtTrikyp · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:26 am

Bulge might be scum I'm just worried I could be confbiasing it because some of his stuff weirds me out.

Aronis · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:04 am

This is getting to be really obnoxious. Can we just stick to the unfailing fruit plan?

mathbandit · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:13 am

Vote: innocentvillager

Inactivity + not being observant about the set-up/role mechanics.

don_johnson · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:41 pm

^^ you're making this too easy.

Robocopter87 · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:26 pm

Thank god you guys are continuing despite my absence. I'm on my phone, VCs are hard. But if somebody wants to throw one up I would be grateful. And id check it to officialize it. I'm gonna find out who needs replacing and get it done. Again, patience us so appreciated, you guys are awesome.

The Bulge · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:36 pm

Votecount 1.0

innocentvillager (1) -

mathbandit

hayatoBL (2) -

T S O, The Bulge

mathbandit (3) -

don_johnson, Siveure DtTrikyp, hayatoBL

Not Voting (5) -

Marcrell, Aronis, innocentvillager, ashura525, Aeronaut

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Robocopter87 · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:02 pm

I just personally checked that VC and confirm it's accuracy. Much thanks to you The Bulge for helping me out with that.

I put up replacement offers in the replacement listing. Three people were missing from our game.

Currently I am not putting up a deadline for this game. If activity falls I will put a deadline in place. For now all we can hope for is some replacements.

That being said, continue killing each other for my enjoyment, Robo out.

Robocopter87 · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:00 pm

Bins replaces Aeronaut, effective immediately.

WELCOME THEM

hayatoBL · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:56 pm

Welcome Bins...

In post 86, Aronis wrote:This is getting to be really obnoxious. Can we just stick to the unfailing fruit plan?

I'm somewhat confused.

You voted me for promoting a "bad" plan.

I insisted on the "bad" plan.

You unvoted me.

But you still think my plan is "bad".

Why unvote me if I am still promoting this "bad" plan.

or why vote me in the first place if you thought promoting a "bad" plan isn't scummy.

hayatoBL · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:59 pm

And I declare my vote as serious.

Bins · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:00 am

Hi guys! I'll post and read up after I'm home from school.

Bins · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:47 am

I'm up to date on reading now. I don't really have time to say anything other than that passing below is the optimal strategy.

@The Bulge -- hayato's push for his strategy... does not make him scummy. A scum would have conformed by now and dropped their idea, but hayato seems set on his plan for genuine reasons (he thinks it's better).

However, hayato's sheepish votes make me uneasy but it's no big deal for this moment. I don't think he's scum (...for now).

Aronis · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:48 am

In post 93, hayatoBL wrote:Welcome Bins...

In post 86, Aronis wrote:This is getting to be really obnoxious. Can we just stick to the unfailing fruit plan?
I'm somewhat confused.

You voted me for promoting a "bad" plan.

I insisted on the "bad" plan.

You unvoted me.

But you still think my plan is "bad".

Why unvote me if I am still promoting this "bad" plan.

or why vote me in the first place if you thought promoting a "bad" plan isn't scummy.

While I wish being an idiot and being scum were the same thing, unfortunately they are not and therefore I can no longer vote you with good intentions at this time.

T S O · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:14 am

right, this is really piss-boring.

Vote: Aronis

You're an idiot and you're scum, shut it.

innocentvillager · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:46 am

I like hayato's plan. In addition I want to add some more dimensionality to this setup which would otherwise only imply stopping two nightkills which sounds kinda dumb to add a whole ability to idk

Like we might as well just all be VT's and goons and have the town ability to decide which two nights we don't kill

And I know people are going to attack me for saying that with shit like "But it's optimal so what if it's boring?" well whatever idc.

I know it's supposed to be an alignment-neutral tell but I think hayato's proposal is def a towntell because he seems genuinely frustrated that no one is going for the plan. If he were scum he would probably have given it up by now even if he did believe it to be suboptimal just to avoid beef with the town.