NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[shaddowez]

PV

- I actually screwed up in early game, and was planning on leaving more scum alive. I realized after D2 that would screw me in the end, and tried doing a little better (but still failed pretty hard).

[PeregrineV]

PV

- I actually screwed up in early game, and was planning on leaving more scum alive. I realized after D2 that would screw me in the end, and tried doing a little better (but still failed pretty hard).

Since I find the SK kill reasons to usually be different from scum (and you have no one to bounce ideas off of), why did you kill the people you did when you did?

[Marquis]

part of my issue is that i have an abnormally high tolerance for "town stupidity"
i see that now
sigh

pedit @ pv: i think this was more of an emotional fail than a logical fail on my part- i noted earlier that the evidence was pointing toward psyche-scum ("if we weren't masons i'd think he's scum" etc etc). it was like... until psyche actually flipped scum, i didn't want to believe it. i didn't want to believe that i could fuck up the core of my townbloc that badly.

[Marquis]

i keep beating myself up over this. there was the bomb claim, the neighborhoods, the case from pine, the pine kill, the opportunity to just crossvote house...

it's not even that mafia was in a good place, we just lost because i was too stubborn to let go of a pre-existing PoE read when it had already been proven that my reads this game were shit and to go with cold logic instead

[Marquis]

ughh

[House]

VOTE: Marquis (Scum MVP)

[House]

Pine was awesome as town during the time I got to see him play.

He had me cold & had to go.

[Marquis]

not helping

[House]

I was playing, don't be so hard on yourself.

I deep pretty hard as town because I'm clueless. In the future, just figure out if I'm paying too good to be town.

[House]

Derp*

[House]

Playing*

Dammit!

[Marquis]

a lot of your read/case progressions made no sense and i thought it was because you were town

[reinoe]

a lot of your read/case progressions made no sense and i thought it was because you were town

The sad thing is that this is true of mafiascum meta right now.

1) Cases make sense.
2) Player is behaving rationally.
3) Isn't blowing up and getting into fights with other players.
4) Seems townie.

must be scum.

[reinoe]

VOTE: Marquis (Scum MVP)

This is a kinda jerky thing to say.

[House]

VOTE: Marquis (Scum MVP)

This is a kinda jerky thing to say.

Unintentionally so, it was meant as a good-natured ribbing.

[Pine]

Pine was awesome as town during the time I got to see him play.

He had me cold & had to go.

As we seem to cross paths frequently, do not expect this on the regular. I usually have a very tunnelly town game, which you saw a little with my focus on PV and Skybird. It's rare that I pull out of that tunnel enough to see it for what it is. When I do I usually see clearly.

Interesting note - in your place, I'd definitely have killed one of Skybird or Marquis. While they had several factors making them as close to confirmed Town as possible, I was possibly the softest target. I'd have set up a 1v1 between us and boiled it down to convincing the third. With what was on the table, you played a dicey endgame

VOTE: Marquis (Scum MVP)

This is a kinda jerky thing to say.

It is, but it's kind of true. The unnecessary and unreasonable gambits and general recklessness hurt the Town cause, took House off the table for consideration for far too long, and generally distracted productivity. That said, everyone has off games, and the quoted post is in poor form. Scum came within a hair's breadth of losing, and landslide attitudes are unbecoming

[Skybird]

Thanks Wake for modding. I enjoyed playing with everyone and hope to see you all in another game soon.

[Josh_B]

This was a fun game to watch. I really enjoyed playing with you all even though I was killed pretty quickly. See you all around.
And tbh, I totally would have lynched marquis for the mason's claim. But I really thought skybird was town. so I'm totally surprised that was the winning lynch. House did a really good job with his votes and unvotes at the end which I think kind of turned the tables on things.

[T S O]

I think House did well in LyLo. Bad, bad, bad Bomb claim, but did well.

Him keeping his options open should have been a scumtell but there were a lot of weird dynamics in this LyLo which made it kinda acceptable to do.

[Pine]

^yes

He was really obvious to the dead thread, but he knew his audience

[Wake]

I messed up later into the game as work/busy-ness took over, in that I didn't provide VCs as frequently as I wanted to.

Will be refining the way I post in future games I mod.

The Large themed game I'm preparing is aimed at being massive, chaotic, and with some diabolical mechanics in place. House may recall USMB games #5, and #6, and others may remember games #1, #2, and #3.

[House]

I messed up later into the game as work/busy-ness took over, in that I didn't provide VCs as frequently as I wanted to.

Will be refining the way I post in future games I mod.

The Large themed game I'm preparing is aimed at being massive, chaotic, and with some diabolical mechanics in place. House may recall USMB games #5, and #6, and others may remember games #1, #2, and #3.

Well this be a 40 player game, by chance?

[Wake]

28-33, depending on if the mod in charge of Large Themes will allow it.

[Pine]

Neat. I'm in, though I'm rubbish at keeping up in larges until the population is reduced to a reasonable number. Maybe impose a wisdom of the crowds rule to hedge out players known for postspamming. They tend to kill large games

[House]

Neat. I'm in, though I'm rubbish at keeping up in larges until the population is reduced to a reasonable number. Maybe impose a wisdom of the crowds rule to hedge out players known for postspamming. They tend to kill large games

I've already /pre-inned. :p