Mafiascum.net

I am flying blind from memory here and sorry if I am wrong. (If so i got you mixed up with some other stellar player... ok?)
I believe:
You have town read on Thor, and its because of him, hunting scum even when under the pump(L-small), he was going down hunting scum...? yeah

Whats this

In post 4646, Nero Cain wrote:I know or think I know what he's saying but is still fucking stupid.

chopped liver?

unvote nero, while you think.

21 players. 5-6 scum max.

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Though it would prob be a good idea to flip Boon at some point.

In post 4649, Izariael wrote:though my read on the situation would certainly change if I felt that were the case.

Just clarifying?
You town read GM so strongly that people trying to lynch him read as scum?
is that what that bit means?

or was it specific to Dave?

In post 4645, AxleGreaser wrote:

@Flubber
@Scripten
@GM
@beast

@anyone else voting for Nero.

If reinoe has not clarified it before you get here

You really ought have look at 4636 open the spoiler to see reinoes change (reversal) of position that he has since said is due to changed "game state"

It may by the time you get here all be a storm in tea cup as Reinoe may have explained what I cant see.

But have a look Ok?

No I am not trying to speed wagon Reinoe, but it makes the nero lynch look quite unsafe to me.

In post 4626, AxleGreaser wrote:

In post 4625, AxleGreaser wrote:

In post 4623, Thor665 wrote:it was a really gakked up progression and makes no sense.

and I agree I saw gakked up stuff.

I have realised this unclear, this ^^^ was me agreeing with Thors post to the extent that I saw gakked up stuff in Neros read progression.

You understand it but you want to throw suspicion my way anyway.

"sometimes townies do things that don't make sense".

"sometimes scum do things that don't make sense".

You've got to differentiate between scum motivation and town motivation. Yo, Axle this isn't hard to understand and I think you're feigning confusion to throw suspicion.

Your scum-buddy thor understands it so I'm sure he'll explain it to you in your scum QT tonight.


Hey remember that one time Axle lied/overlooked the "thor never called the wagon scummy" comments? Yeah, I'm seeing the same inauthentic push here like I saw there.

@Iz I mean his way in general. He admitted he didnt quite know why he was pushing thor and unvoted. Didnt the gm thing seem like an excuse reason to revote thor without having to explain the previous stuff ?

You have not answered the question and explained what chnaged about the game state, and how that effected your interpretation of events but somehow was not
(as far as i cant tell contained in the 7 points)

Please explain that.

ok well nm, he's just backtracking now.

Good job Axle, you found an actual contradiction this time.

In post 4652, AxleGreaser wrote:

In post 4649, Izariael wrote:though my read on the situation would certainly change if I felt that were the case.

Just clarifying?
You town read GM so strongly that people trying to lynch him read as scum?
is that what that bit means?

or was it specific to Dave?

It was specific to dave and his actions in this exchange. I deemed the gm vote as an attempt to gauge a reaction from Thor, and not as a legitimate vote for gm in the interest of lynching her. My interpretation of that vote has a big impact on how I view the situation.

I did consider the possibility that it was a legit gm vote, and drew what conclusion that would lead me to, but found that his statements indicated the alternative

In post 4636, AxleGreaser wrote:Please walk me through what changed about the game state that reversed your earlier interpretation of the situation
I especially don't see anything that I remember happened after the first interpretation that is in any one of your 7 points.
I cant see how the things that happened after then inverted, your interpretation and yet not be part of the 7 points.
Its possible I am missing something, as I found the seeming discrepancy looking at your iso not rereading the entire thread.

You have not done this.

In post 4655, AxleGreaser wrote:You have not answered the question and explained what chnaged about the game state, and how that effected your interpretation of events but somehow was not
(as far as i cant tell contained in the 7 points)

Please explain that.

A player claimed a PR. This isn't hard to understand. Are you really always this bad?

"My interpretation of events" is that Nero Cain's behavior towards thor at L-1 did not have a town motivation. It's not confusing unless you're awful.

So it would have been pro-town of me to hammer right after he claimed?

Reinoe can you respond to my very important question please.

Slandaar wrote:Reinoe can you respond to my very important question please.

In post 4638, Slandaar wrote:Reinoe can you vote dave with me please?

No, not voting dave.

In post 4660, Nero Cain wrote:So it would have been pro-town of me to hammer right after he claimed?

based on this...

1)You scum read thor
2)you think thor is PL worthy
3)you think JK is a common scum RB claim.

4)You don't hammer thor? WTF is this?

It would have been consistent with your internal logic.

@Iz

In post 4663, reinoe wrote:

In post 4660, Nero Cain wrote:So it would have been pro-town of me to hammer right after he claimed?

based on this...

1)You scum read thor
2)you think thor is PL worthy
3)you think JK is a common scum RB claim.

4)You don't hammer thor? WTF is this?

It would have been consistent with your internal logic.

I see. You agree that it isn't pro-town play to lynch right away but I should have done it just I'm "consistent". Wich is still ignoring all those players that unvoted...

In post 4662, reinoe wrote:No, not voting dave.

Forget who it is and what you think of him.

Would you like to vote the same person I am?

In post 4654, Shiro wrote:@Iz I mean his way in general.

He admitted he didnt quite know why he was pushing thor and unvoted.

Didnt the gm thing seem like an excuse reason to revote thor without having to explain the previous stuff ?

Was there more to this than 3798? Because I found that to be a rather holistic transition and it didn't bother me at all...

In post 4666, Slandaar wrote:

In post 4662, reinoe wrote:No, not voting dave.

Forget who it is and what you think of him.

Would you like to vote the same person I am?

.... eh?

In post 4666, Slandaar wrote:

In post 4662, reinoe wrote:No, not voting dave.

Forget who it is and what you think of him.

Would you like to vote the same person I am?

Sure if we agree on who's scum. That's not happening right now though.

In post 4659, reinoe wrote:

In post 4655, AxleGreaser wrote:You have not answered the question and explained what chnaged about the game state, and how that effected your interpretation of events but somehow was not
(as far as i cant tell contained in the 7 points)

Please explain that.

A player claimed a PR. This isn't hard to understand. Are you really always this bad?

"My interpretation of events" is that Nero Cain's behavior towards thor at L-1 did not have a town motivation. It's not confusing unless you're awful.

No a player did not claim a power role AFTER you first interpretation and before your second interpretation of the same events. (the ones I quoted in 4624)

This happened before both events

In post 4198, Thor665 wrote:Claim: 1-shot JKer

That was not new information that changed your mind about your Nero read.

Why did your read change? What about the game state changed? and why is that not part of your 7 points?

Now I also want to know why you don't know what changed your mind as you have made an attempt at explaining what event changed the game state between your two reads and failed to explain.

In post 4665, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 4663, reinoe wrote:

In post 4660, Nero Cain wrote:So it would have been pro-town of me to hammer right after he claimed?

based on this...

1)You scum read thor
2)you think thor is PL worthy
3)you think JK is a common scum RB claim.

4)You don't hammer thor? WTF is this?

It would have been consistent with your internal logic.

I see. You agree that it isn't pro-town play to lynch right away but I should have done it just I'm "consistent". Wich is still ignoring all those players that unvoted...

I never said it isn't pro town to lynch right away. Where did that impression come from? I don't see why you didn't hammer unless you wanted to "look town".

As for other people unvoting...I have to admit I haven't analyzed their motivations as heavily as yours. Is there someone who shouldn't have unvoted that I need to take a look at?

blegh maybe I was just pissed that Nero didn't hammer.

@Nero read this carefully please.

In post 4665, Nero Cain wrote:I see. You agree that it isn't pro-town play to lynch right away but I should have done it just I'm "consistent". Wich is still ignoring all those players that unvoted...

He changed his read, for no apparent(visible stated so far) reason.

A scum reason is
earlier he town read you so as to drive the Thor Lynch. (why he would wk as scum trying to lynch thor)(you were an ally)
Now a dave lynch is inconvenient, so now he wants to scum read you. So he does. Simple. (now you are expendable)

A town reason is?
he has yet to provide a towny way that game state changed, (after his first read)
and his interpretation of those earlier events changed by that change
but somehow that change was also not part of his 7 points.

+ .......... (not saying)