Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[Newbie]

@wgeurts: Yet if everyone did that, nothing would happen, haha. I used to hate RVS but it's important for reaction fishing.
^Not liking RVS isn't a scumtell though, if anything it's a noobtowntell IMO.

@Victor: So that way when I inevitably ISO Newbie I'll have a meta to compare to. I don't want to bother waiting until Newbie's got a wagon on (him? her?) to skim a meta.

@Newbie: Yeah linking would cool, thanks.

@acryon: I'm not gonna get random-lynched and I'm really bad at feeling anything during games, haha. Talk to me after the game and I'll let out the rage.
Not really sure what you want me to say to "Why are you town?" other than I got a town PM. I'm not going to self-meta (I don't even have a scum meta yet) and I don't appreciate people trying to prove how town they are since it's easily WIFOM'd.

Edit: ^Written before post #38, gimme a sec.

I'm the user named 2PM.

http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/8 ... goods-win/ - Was town with a mason partner. I had to guess who they were though.
http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/6 ... ay-thread/ - Mafia. (Username was EverythingToMe. Letting you know so you won't get confused.)

[Newbie]

I joined here in the first place hoping to learn how to play better and to get a different experience, so yeah....I'm kind of horrible, lol.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I don't love when people seem to question others for trying to get information. Seems anti-town. He was trying to find out some information, which

tends

to be useful for scum-hunting. Wouldn't you agree?

Why not let him answer for himself?

And since when does questioning players this early become anti-town? Is it OK for Mathdino to get information but somehow scummy for me?

[VictorDeAngelo]

@Victor: So that way when I inevitably ISO Newbie I'll have a meta to compare to. I don't want to bother waiting until Newbie's got a wagon on (him? her?) to skim a meta.

Mathdino, can you give me a quick rundown of who else in this game have you played with before?

Also, I have new person I want wagon.

VOTE: wgeurts

Everyone get aboard.

[wgeurts]

@Victor: So that way when I inevitably ISO Newbie I'll have a meta to compare to. I don't want to bother waiting until Newbie's got a wagon on (him? her?) to skim a meta.

Mathdino, can you give me a quick rundown of who else in this game have you played with before?

Also, I have new person I want wagon.

VOTE: wgeurts

Everyone get aboard.

Reasons for the wagon?
The only motivation I can think of is a reaction-test.

[acryon]

Why not let him answer for himself?

And since when does questioning players this early become anti-town? Is it OK for Mathdino to get information but somehow scummy for me?

It completely depends on intent and outcome. I think Mathdino's intent was to establish a play-style for Newbie which he could compare to Newbie's play as the game goes on, so as to avoid writing off Newbie's actions as newb-scum or newb-town. This is a good intent and a favorable outcome for town, as it potentially helps us avoid a mislynch based on bad information. I'm not sure what your intent was, but the outcome for town from your question is that he answers exactly as he did, but then others may avoid those types of questions in fear of being scrutinized, which is overall a negative for town. Not that I think your question carried the kind of weight to make an impact quite like that, but I do think it discourages certain forms of questioning.

[acryon]

Also, I have new person I want wagon.

VOTE: wgeurts

Everyone get aboard.

Reasons for the wagon?
The only motivation I can think of is a reaction-test.

Well then you aren't thinking hard enough, because of the handful of posts you have had, they have certainly been suspect.

[wgeurts]

I'm not, it's all a reaction test. For one you took it well by labeling me as newb and moving on. This is slightly town from you as you could have jumped on my BS reasons.
Anyway, there's nothing to gain here.
UNVOTE: Wisdom

That's it? Why wouldn't you leave your vote on and keep some pressure to get more/better reactions out of Wisdom? Seems odd to say that there's nothing to gain there after one small exchange.

Because the whole thing was litteraly based off nothing. His first post was a RV obviously and so was his 2nd (anyone disagree?). I played a small reaction test on him for possible defensive reactions.

Also, why does it bother you that I'm not voting him?
Are you possibly scum knowing he's town?
As far as I know we're still only just leaving RVS.

[wgeurts]

Also, I have new person I want wagon.

VOTE: wgeurts

Everyone get aboard.

Reasons for the wagon?
The only motivation I can think of is a reaction-test.

Well then you aren't thinking hard enough, because of the handful of posts you have had, they have certainly been suspect.

Care to explain what is suspect about them may I ask?

[Mathdino]

I've played with a Mala hydra but that's it, which is why I as a relative newcomer have a lot of meta to catch up on. Also I think I played with Duke but the game was abandoned before he posted.

Victor, how many answers to your question would even be possible? I guess what I'm asking is, what were you expecting? I'm not liking your response, sorry.

VOTE: VictorDeAngelo (not a test)

Edit: Written before #55.

[wgeurts]

This is good, we left the RVS page 2.

[Not_Mafia]

I missed RVS

The way Wgeurts has handled his "lol slayers" thing seems townish to me, it usually really easy to catch newb scum who dig themselves a hole cos they don't understand (how to bejave as scum in) RVS. They'll typically trot out the slayers defence after they've exhausted the "RVS sucks I'm town" line, his super early capitualtion makes me lean town.

[Wisdom]

I don't love when people seem to question others for trying to get information. Seems anti-town. He was trying to find out some information, which

tends

to be useful for scum-hunting. Wouldn't you agree?

Why not let him answer for himself?

And since when does questioning players this early become anti-town? Is it OK for Mathdino to get information but somehow scummy for me?

Mathdino tried to get information. You questioned why he wants to get information (which is obvious). That doesn't look like an attempt to get information on your part.

[Wisdom]

Also, I have new person I want wagon.

VOTE: wgeurts

Everyone get aboard.

Why?

[Wisdom]

Also, I have new person I want wagon.

VOTE: wgeurts

Everyone get aboard.

Reasons for the wagon?
The only motivation I can think of is a reaction-test.

Well then you aren't thinking hard enough, because of the handful of posts you have had, they have certainly been suspect.

Care to explain what is suspect about them may I ask?

Also interested in knowing that @acryon

[VictorDeAngelo]

Reasons for the wagon?
The only motivation I can think of is a reaction-test.

You missed the more obvious answer.

Why not let him answer for himself?

And since when does questioning players this early become anti-town? Is it OK for Mathdino to get information but somehow scummy for me?

It completely depends on intent and outcome. I think Mathdino's intent was to establish a play-style for Newbie which he could compare to Newbie's play as the game goes on, so as to avoid writing off Newbie's actions as newb-scum or newb-town. This is a good intent and a favorable outcome for town, as it potentially helps us avoid a mislynch based on bad information. I'm not sure what your intent was, but the outcome for town from your question is that he answers exactly as he did, but then others may avoid those types of questions in fear of being scrutinized, which is overall a negative for town. Not that I think your question carried the kind of weight to make an impact quite like that, but I do think it discourages certain forms of questioning.

That's a lot of guesswork there Acryon. I highly doubt that me asking a question about why someone wanted meta will have others quaking in their boots to question for meta. And this doesn't really answer why you couldn't just wait to see how Mathdino responded.

I've played with a Mala hydra but that's it, which is why I as a relative newcomer have a lot of meta to catch up on. Also I think I played with Duke but the game was abandoned before he posted.

Victor, how many answers to your question would even be possible?

Lots. The question was open ended and I even got a interesting reaction off Acryon to boot. I'm mostly curious as to why Newbie's meta was more valuable to you than others.

I guess what I'm asking is, what were you expecting?

Fun fact, I often ask question I don't know the answer to.

I don't love when people seem to question others for trying to get information. Seems anti-town. He was trying to find out some information, which

tends

to be useful for scum-hunting. Wouldn't you agree?

Why not let him answer for himself?

And since when does questioning players this early become anti-town? Is it OK for Mathdino to get information but somehow scummy for me?

Mathdino tried to get information. You questioned why he wants to get information (which is obvious). That doesn't look like an attempt to get information on your part.

I didn't question why he wanted information, I questioned why he wanted that specific information. There is a difference.

Also, I have new person I want wagon.

VOTE: wgeurts

Everyone get aboard.

Why?

It leads to a party where there's Jelly and ice cream - want some?

[Wisdom]

Sure, but why is the party at specifically wgeurts' wagon is what I want to know.

[VictorDeAngelo]

EBWODP: Missed a bit

VOTE: VictorDeAngelo (not a test)

Edit: Written before #55.

Why is it important to note the vote is not a test?

Why is important that you wrote your post before 55?

[Malakittens]

Newbie is probtown.

[Wisdom]

I don't like those questions either.

[Mathdino]

Newbie is the one person who's posted who I have no real meta to look over. I don't know when the rest of the playerlist joined, so I haven't asked yet.

Victor if it's not a reaction test, your vote loses credibility if you have no discernible reasons for it. Are you waiting for acryon to answer for you?

Edit: Written before #66. And because I didn't really have anything to say on everything after 55, but I don't want to be unambiguous. Sometimes I respond to things people say, and then they post 10 more times before I submit.
Why are you spending more time asking questions about these minute details instead of scumhunting, brother?

[Mathdino]

EBWOP: I want to be ambiguous, I don't want to be unambiguous. My bad.

There's a town sort of RVS scumhunting and there's a scum sort. I think we've found the scum sort with Victor's lines of reasoning.

[Not_Mafia]

EBWODP: Missed a bit

VOTE: VictorDeAngelo (not a test)

Edit: Written before #55.

Why is it important to note the vote is not a test?

Why is important that you wrote your post before 55?

You don't think players should claim serious votes as such? What are you trying to achieve questioning that?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Victor if it's not a reaction test, your vote loses credibility if you have no discernible reasons for it.

But why the need to state it's a reaction test. I mean everyone went around labelling votes (reaction test) or (not reaction test) then it would be just silly.

Are you waiting for acryon to answer for you?

Did I miss a question or something?

Edit: Written before #66. And because I didn't really have anything to say on everything after 55, but I don't want to be unambiguous. Sometimes I respond to things people say, and then they post 10 more times before I submit.

Huh, I thought there was something specific about 55. You don't really need to specifically mention just to say I saw but I don't comment.

Why are you spending more time asking questions about these minute details instead of scumhunting, brother?

Questioning is scumhunting, and I have my methods.

EBWODP: Missed a bit

VOTE: VictorDeAngelo (not a test)

Edit: Written before #55.

Why is it important to note the vote is not a test?

Why is important that you wrote your post before 55?

You don't think players should claim serious votes as such?

No, not really. If you want to give reasons, you give reasons.

What are you trying to achieve questioning that?

If someone does something that strikes me as unusual or off then I will question it. It helps get games moving.

[reinoe]