Non-substantive is a very grey area that newbies just need to avoid altogether.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:11 pm
by Gamma Emerald
I mean, anyone can find out by reading. It's not no-reveal.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:12 pm
by UpTooLate
Gamma, it's a hard rule not to talk about ongoing games. Period. And there's no need to try and blur the lines with newbies, as that will get them in trouble.
limited in what counts as non-substantive; pretty much all you're allowed to say is a count of the number of games a player is alive in.
"I'm alive in 5 games" is a legal statement. Likewise, "I'm dead in all my games" (= "I died in my first game") is a legal statement.
Basically
anything
beyond that (e.g. "I was lynched") is banned.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:34 pm
by Pine
Linked here is the full official guideline for the Ongoing Games rule. The thread is locked or I'd quote it in full.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:22 pm
by Corwinoid
Not trying to argue the point, but
why
is lynching as the method of death if that's the stated reason for death in the game thread considered substantive?
I understand the examples given in the linked thread, but I don't understand this particular case or how it contains more substantive content than "I am dead." Does "I am dead in <game X>" ever reveal information not yielded by the mod death statement?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:39 pm
by mhsmith0
Neat trick: click the PM button and you can quote from locked threads
Another neat trick: spoiler=buttons
Spoiler: Do not discuss ongoing games
Untrod Tripod wrote:
Discussion of Ongoing Mafia Games is Not Allowed
Recently we have had a spate of people discussing ongoing games. Though this has led to a record number of ongoing game bans, there may be a perception that there is some wiggle room when it comes to discussing ongoing games. This post is to tell you that there is not.
It does not matter if you are dead.
It does not matter if you don't think it will affect a game.
It does not matter if you aren't in the game.
It does not matter if you are posting about a game taking place on another forum or posting about an MS game on another forum.
It does not matter if you are moderating the game in question.
Discussing ongoing games by quoting or otherwise referring to an ongoing game is forbidden. There is no clever way around this rule. Don't try.
If you are unsure whether something violates the rule against discussing ongoing games, please don't hesitate to contact a listmod.
THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOU
Discussing ongoing games may result in a full game ban. This will mean that you are force replaced out of all your games, and you will not be allowed to replace back into them at the end of your ban. Further bans will be far harsher, including and up to a permanent ban from the site.
Game Moderators: Take IMMEDIATE action.
Game moderators are expected to step in and take immediate action when players discuss ongoing games in the game thread -- at least a public warning in the thread not to discuss ongoing games. This is not optional for the game moderator. You may not, as a game moderator, allow people to discuss ongoing games in your thread unless the other game allows for it explicitly in the rules.
Exceptions
There are three primary exceptions.
Communications with authorities
You may PM, IM or otherwise contact the game mod(s), listmods who aren't involved in the game, and admins who aren't in the game. Likewise, listmods and admins will sometimes discuss ongoing games for administrative purposes.
The Game Allows Outside Communication
Where a game allows communication, it may be allowed. This must be EXPLICITLY stated in the rules (and as a listmod, we'd appreciate it if game mods would give us a heads up when this is the case).
Please note that a game mod may allow communications about his or her OWN game to be discussed elsewhere, but he or she may
NOT
allow discussion of other ongoing games in their thread.
Discussions about Activity
Players may discuss activity in other games in a general sense, including counting how many games a player is alive in. However, this may not mention ANYTHING of substance.
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This isn't a hard rule to stay on the right side of the line on. The listmods would like to never have to take action again. Please don't try and toe the line on ongoing games.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:41 pm
by -Grey-
In post 6605, Corwinoid wrote:Not trying to argue the point, but why is lynching as the method of death if that's the stated reason for death in the game thread considered substantive?
Because it is content within the game.
Nothing that actually happened or exists within the game can be mentioned outside of it.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:46 pm
by -Grey-
Like, commenting on manner of death invites responses and discussion around said manner of death.
Dead is just dead.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:35 pm
by Corwinoid
Ah, that clarifies it as simply being on the wrong side of a "bright line" test. Thanks.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:46 am
by Pine
In post 6606, mhsmith0 wrote:Neat trick: click the PM button and you can quote from locked threads
Neat.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:21 am
by Stormcloud
Sorry to ask so many questions, but if I'm in the newbie queue for my first newbie game, I'm not allowed to play any other newbie games at the same time, right? Am I allowed to play games on any other sections of the site simultaneously?
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:24 am
by Gamma Emerald
You can play as many non-newbies as you want barring restrctions
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:31 am
by callforjudgement
In post 6611, Stormcloud wrote:Sorry to ask so many questions, but if I'm in the newbie queue for my first newbie game, I'm not allowed to play any other newbie games at the same time, right? Am I allowed to play games on any other sections of the site simultaneously?
If you're in your very first game, you can't play in other newbie games at the same time. You can play elsewhere on the site, assuming the moderator of the game is happy to let a player with no completed games play. (Many moderators are fine with this, if the game's simple enough; for example,I allow players with no completed games into most of my games, although I don't if the game is particularly complex.)
If you've completed one game, you still can't play two newbie games simultaneously from the start, but you can at that point replace into multiple newbie games. (You can't be in multiple newbie games at once, either from the start or via replacement, until you have one game completed.)
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:16 pm
by RhazhBash
/out
Gonna be dealing with some stuff around the time I'd be joining this.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:20 pm
by Fro99er
/in SE
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:09 am
by All Alone
in SE
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:46 am
by Garmr
/out
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:44 am
by Srceenplay
/in SE
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:01 am
by Loopdan
/in SE
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:16 pm
by mastina
I'm gonna try it again, and hope for the best:
/in as IC.
if at all possible, me & some friends i invited over to play a game would like to join a game together.
thanks @ mina
other friend that would like to play with them
/join as newbie
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:34 pm
by borkjerfkin
i would recommend picking a different queue to play in a single game with a group of people.
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:38 pm
by Killthestory
thats why i said if at all possible because they're all newbies to the site and id rather not see them discouraged from playing even if it means not playing with them.
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:40 pm
by borkjerfkin
sure, just wanted to set your expectations.
if getting them a proper newbie experience is of the most value, use this queue
if playing together is of the most value, maybe all sign up for something in Central Park (Open setups) together, usually pretty accommodating for newer players.