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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:29 pm

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In post 121, Blackberry wrote:I'm kinda surprised people would want to align with a newbie. I don't think I would want to align with a "total newbie" right off the get go without getting to know them first. A: If they're new, they might realize they aren't dedicated enough or cut out for the game and might end up bailing. B: I wouldn't know how to gauge if they were plotting to betray and/or be afraid they'd be too open about any "alliance", etc. C: I'd be afraid they'd be too easily manipulated by other players and if lied to by an opponent, I wouldn't know if they'd be experienced enough to talk with me first. I have absolutely nothing against new players, I just wouldn't trust them to the full extent that I would trust players I can tell know what they're doing. :P

Also, I think we should have a non-anonymous Survivor again. I want to be an evil villainous creature-thing for all mafiascum to see. Mwhahahahaha.


There is a difference between being new and being dumb.

Point A) is a valid concern
but I'm not sure B/C really talk about their seniority unless they are just unfamiliar with reality games in general.
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:41 pm

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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:43 pm

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I guess to readdress B/C - with a lack of seniority, I'm not certain I'd feel confident they'd know how to engage with opposing alliances tactfully.

Then again, I have a huge hardon for underdogs, and would love to work with a bunch of "newbs" in hopes of raising them as my minions and having them wreck havoc on the world, Bwmwhahaha.
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:43 pm

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In post 122, xofelf wrote:
KingdomAces wrote:
In post 114, Fluminator wrote:Hey, I just had a thought. Maybe I should pretend to be a newbie in all my future games.

It's been done, and it worked. Now people are looking for that gambit.

There's even a term for it: Chanseying.

Oh. Well nevermind then. lol
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:48 pm

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That reminds me, I was actually kind of serious about this:
Food wrote:BPC [The spectator played by N, not the mod.] gave me an idea: Survivor: Mish Mash Survivor. Anon Survivor where the player options are usernames of anyone who's ever played a Survivor before. Playing in character is recommended. Picking yourself is allowed, but not as your first option, and other people taking it has preference.

Either that or character options are characters from Anon games. If a newbie asks for the mods to pick, give them Chancey and watch what happens when they say it's their first game.
Like, I wouldn't be able to design it, because I'm bad at being creative, and it would also be even less newbie friendly, so it's probably not actually a good idea, but as long as people don't use it as an excuse to be openly hostile (which is a very extreme statement in itself), it could be fairly interesting.
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:50 pm

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In post 129, KingdomAces wrote:That reminds me, I was actually kind of serious about this:
Food wrote:BPC [The spectator played by N, not the mod.] gave me an idea: Survivor: Mish Mash Survivor. Anon Survivor where the player options are usernames of anyone who's ever played a Survivor before. Playing in character is recommended. Picking yourself is allowed, but not as your first option, and other people taking it has preference.

Either that or character options are characters from Anon games. If a newbie asks for the mods to pick, give them Chancey and watch what happens when they say it's their first game.
Like, I wouldn't be able to design it, because I'm bad at being creative, and it would also be even less newbie friendly, so it's probably not actually a good idea, but as long as people don't use it as an excuse to be openly hostile (which is a very extreme statement in itself), it could be fairly interesting.


Haha, this idea sounds awesome! And I doubt anyone would be hostile, because they are still trying to win the game themselves :P.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:53 pm

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Flum wrote:Yes! That's true. I was legit quite excited when I found out you put yourself through the same grinder I'm going through. How did we end up on opposite alliances again?


We didn't send the flue gas into the reactor with enough excess air to perform the reaction to completion. Additionally, we modeled our reactor assuming an ideal gas instead of modeling it using a Peng-Robinson model. The difference in residual pressures between the two models created vastly out of proportion reactor kinetics and everything just sort of fizzled.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 1:53 pm

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In post 129, KingdomAces wrote:That reminds me, I was actually kind of serious about this:
Food wrote:BPC [The spectator played by N, not the mod.] gave me an idea: Survivor: Mish Mash Survivor. Anon Survivor where the player options are usernames of anyone who's ever played a Survivor before. Playing in character is recommended. Picking yourself is allowed, but not as your first option, and other people taking it has preference.

Either that or character options are characters from Anon games. If a newbie asks for the mods to pick, give them Chancey and watch what happens when they say it's their first game.
Like, I wouldn't be able to design it, because I'm bad at being creative, and it would also be even less newbie friendly, so it's probably not actually a good idea, but as long as people don't use it as an excuse to be openly hostile (which is a very extreme statement in itself), it could be fairly interesting.


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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 2:11 pm

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I know I did have PMs with people about making things more newbie friendly, either having specific mentors (who would not be players at all but a resource for newbies for example) or even running perhaps a smaller game with entirely newbies or players who were having trouble getting the hang of things. I'm not sure how to implement those things or what not. I think Klick mentioned a sort of guide to things that might be helpful as well. There might be more information that we can give to newer players that's more than what we have but not as daunting as trying to sift through past games.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 2:15 pm

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My two favorite things about the confessionals both came from Reck.
Spoiler:
Frenchie: "Lots of people are saying you're the best player here, how do you feel about that?"
Unicorn: "Just a heads up, lots of people wanted to target you."
Star: "FYI ALERT ALERT YOU ARE A THREAT AND PEOPLE WANT YOU GONE BUT THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT ME"
Dave: "Yeah man people want you gone but we can do this"
Wayne: "OMG PLEASE WORK WITH ME I AM SO SCARED AND ALONE HELP YOU'RE MY CLOSEST ALLY" (like fucking really?)
Illuminati: "hey bro whats up hows your day
"


Spoiler:
So I tell the Nerds that, which brings them together behind me, but not directly behind me, as they don't really know I'm pulling the strings on all this. And then I mention it to Wayne & Dave & Star, and all three are like, "WTF fuck that shit fuck pagongs" and I'm like YEAH. I may have exaggerated the pagong thing JUST a smidge but like...
this game has proven that anyone who tries to vote along tribal lines/pagong lines ends up fucked
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 2:32 pm

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Yeah, I apologize this game didn't turn out to be as newbie friendly as I had hoped. I thought with less twists, it'd be easier to get familiar with how everything works, but that didn't work out and it just ended up making a lot of Veterans bored too.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 2:52 pm

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In post 131, Flameaxe wrote:
Flum wrote:Yes! That's true. I was legit quite excited when I found out you put yourself through the same grinder I'm going through. How did we end up on opposite alliances again?


We didn't send the flue gas into the reactor with enough excess air to perform the reaction to completion. Additionally, we modeled our reactor assuming an ideal gas instead of modeling it using a Peng-Robinson model. The difference in residual pressures between the two models created vastly out of proportion reactor kinetics and everything just sort of fizzled.


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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 3:11 pm

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In post 132, Flameaxe wrote:
In post 129, KingdomAces wrote:That reminds me, I was actually kind of serious about this:
Food wrote:BPC [The spectator played by N, not the mod.] gave me an idea: Survivor: Mish Mash Survivor. Anon Survivor where the player options are usernames of anyone who's ever played a Survivor before. Playing in character is recommended. Picking yourself is allowed, but not as your first option, and other people taking it has preference.

Either that or character options are characters from Anon games. If a newbie asks for the mods to pick, give them Chancey and watch what happens when they say it's their first game.
Like, I wouldn't be able to design it, because I'm bad at being creative, and it would also be even less newbie friendly, so it's probably not actually a good idea, but as long as people don't use it as an excuse to be openly hostile (which is a very extreme statement in itself), it could be fairly interesting.


Just can't have anyone be Snakes, they'll lose round 1 out of principal, or win out of principal :P

Hey, it didn't work out this time :P

I remember discussing a newbie only game with jelly. I feel that could be a good idea. It would let people who want to play but don't have the experience have an equal shot instead of trying to figure out what's happening while the experienced players set their alliances up. I didn't feel like there was an anti-newbie bias this game, but it did feel like preswap, people wanted to vote for the "easy" votes who hadn't made as many social connections, and those players ended up being newbies who didnt know how important getting into the pm game immediately was.
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 3:13 pm

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I have never felt quite a strong missed "best friend" potential here, Flum.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 3:16 pm

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Hey, it didn't work out this time


Yeah, sorry.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 3:38 pm

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In post 97, Klick wrote:@everyone: How do you decide on who you want your early allies to be? What is your criteria? I haven't thought much about how that happens for me. I tend to go for certain-looking players each game, depending on how I want to play. Sometimes I'll seek out strong social players I can share a powerful alliance with, and other times I'll look for followers I can lead. Being able to at least hold a conversation, even if it's a small one, is a necessity though.

Literally just whoever is the most interesting for me to talk to >_>

Which tends to mean the strong social players, obviously, but I think that's something that makes sense for my strategy anyway. If you're going to be a threat, you might as well try to stay off the radars of the other threats. Would I do it even if it was bad play? Probably. I enjoy it.

Though I have had pet projects, and they are fun.

In post 121, Blackberry wrote:I'm kinda surprised people would want to align with a newbie. I don't think I would want to align with a "total newbie" right off the get go without getting to know them first. A: If they're new, they might realize they aren't dedicated enough or cut out for the game and might end up bailing. B: I wouldn't know how to gauge if they were plotting to betray and/or be afraid they'd be too open about any "alliance", etc. C: I'd be afraid they'd be too easily manipulated by other players and if lied to by an opponent, I wouldn't know if they'd be experienced enough to talk with me first. I have absolutely nothing against new players, I just wouldn't trust them to the full extent that I would trust players I can tell know what they're doing. :P

Players who don't know what they're doing are relatively unlikely to betray you, and I think some people do it as a matter of principle. Also, you trust people???

In post 137, Snakes wrote:
In post 132, Flameaxe wrote:
In post 129, KingdomAces wrote:That reminds me, I was actually kind of serious about this:
Food wrote:BPC [The spectator played by N, not the mod.] gave me an idea: Survivor: Mish Mash Survivor. Anon Survivor where the player options are usernames of anyone who's ever played a Survivor before. Playing in character is recommended. Picking yourself is allowed, but not as your first option, and other people taking it has preference.

Either that or character options are characters from Anon games. If a newbie asks for the mods to pick, give them Chancey and watch what happens when they say it's their first game.
Like, I wouldn't be able to design it, because I'm bad at being creative, and it would also be even less newbie friendly, so it's probably not actually a good idea, but as long as people don't use it as an excuse to be openly hostile (which is a very extreme statement in itself), it could be fairly interesting.


Just can't have anyone be Snakes, they'll lose round 1 out of principal, or win out of principal :P

Hey, it didn't work out this time :P

I remember discussing a newbie only game with jelly. I feel that could be a good idea. It would let people who want to play but don't have the experience have an equal shot instead of trying to figure out what's happening while the experienced players set their alliances up. I didn't feel like there was an anti-newbie bias this game, but it did feel like preswap, people wanted to vote for the "easy" votes who hadn't made as many social connections, and those players ended up being newbies who didnt know how important getting into the pm game immediately was.


It might work. Just... don't do a half newbie game, that works about as well here as it does on the show, hehe.
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 4:03 pm

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Why not have a non anon game as a change of pace?
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 4:04 pm

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In post 100, D3f3nd3r wrote:
In post 93, Brian Skies wrote:Julie was...not fun to talk to and I did make several attempts before I just decided she was dead to me. I don't mind working with newbies or replacements because we all have to start somewhere, but they never gave me a reason to care.


Well obviously we had our shtick during the game, but the part that really upset me was that I know that T-Bone knows how to play this game. I was allied with him in my second game on the site, and he got voted out second
because people thought he was a threat
. Like actually, had you played this game like you did Mario (your play was good there, you didn't get the boot for bad play) you'd have lived a lot longer.


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Also Narn I feel your small talk pain and we must find each other next time! Star-crossed lovers!
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 4:31 pm

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In post 141, Espeonage wrote:Why not have a non anon game as a change of pace?

How about a non-anon half newbie game?
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 4:31 pm

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oh wait

we did that alreadyyyyyyy
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 4:42 pm

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Flumy what the fuck. No.
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2015 4:54 pm

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You made it for me. And it has a tiger. It was too much for me to resist.
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Shouldn't yours be that amazing mic pic that a judge mistook as a dick?
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