NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

[davesaz]

That doesn't change the purpose of making it naked.

[Drixx]

4282 seems logically sound. I'm going to see if I can think of anything that makes the premises fail. I think if your premises are true then your conclusions are rock solid.

4289 I don't like because you are dismissing Grib because you believe you can read him. That's a dangerous reason to clear someone.

[Drixx]

That doesn't change the purpose of making it naked.

You don't get to make a series of posts foreshadowing your intent to vote someone, then naked vote them and afterward claim it was a reaction test.

You laid the groundwork for the vote, and then you voted. It's a narrative. That narrative is what made me read your entire ISO and look for more narrative ... which I found.

How about that "triangle" you were talking about early in the game? What was the importance of that? Why did you abandon it? Did you realize that only one of those people is still alive? You seemed to think there was scum there, but you dropped that like a brick.

You now need to pass my muster and convince me to move on to evaluating someone else, because so far your response has been far short of convincing.

[davesaz]

That doesn't change the purpose of making it naked.

You don't get to make a series of posts foreshadowing your intent to vote someone, then naked vote them and afterward claim it was a reaction test.

You don't get to call it a naked vote and then bring up the foreshadowing. If there was foreshadowing then it isn't really naked, or to be more technically accurate it isn't without reasons.
When I say I did something for a reason, I mean it. I chose to make it (technically) naked to see what would happen. See Open 589 for a reference on my attitude toward statements on why I do things.

How about that "triangle" you were talking about early in the game? What was the importance of that? Why did you abandon it? Did you realize that only one of those people is still alive? You seemed to think there was scum there, but you dropped that like a brick.

Ricastle was painting Grib as a SK, and Skold was defending Grib. Grib was responding to Ricastle and largely ignoring Skold. I thought that a Skold scum flip might point to Grib by ignoring the WIFOM that scum would not so hard defend a buddy but the buddy sure would try to ignore the partner in that case. After Skold flipped town, the scumbuddy theory was out the window. Nagging doubts remain on Grib's claim though. Didn't I just say that I don't consider any of the claims to be confirmed?

[Grib]

What do you guys think about the following reasoning? This may seem unimportant but I'm going somewhere with it.

Drixx was tracked going nowhere on the night RIP claimed to receive No Result. Therefore he wasn't responsible for the No Result, and can only be scum with a partner who was responsible for it.

davesaz was checked as town by Grib. Therefore he can only be scum if he's a Godfather. Therefore he wasn't responsible for the No Result, since a Godfather can't roleblock people.

Conclusions:
- If there is only one scum left, it's neither Drixx nor davesaz.
- If there are two scum left, it's not Drixx and davesaz

together

-- one or the other, but not both.

Does this make sense?

tl;dr -- At least one of RIP/Nero/Vampirate is mafia. Lynch RIP -> Vamp -> Nero -> one of dave/drixx (do them last) and win.

Who should we rule out as lynches? Since BBT is the only PR left who can still use his power, he's going to die soon if he's town. So strategically, we can set him aside for the moment. elusive is town for the N1 no kill and by her meta. Grib is town because we don't have a mafia vigilante who shot his own partner for no good reason. And because I know how to read Grib and he's just 100% town.

That leaves RIP, Nero Cain, Vampirate, Drixx, Dave.

Based on 4282, one of RIP, Nero Cain and Vampirate is mafia.

We have four lynches left. If there is only one mafia (which I believe), lynching those three first wins the game.

If there are two mafia, lynching those three first will snag at least one, maybe both. If you run the numbers, in the worst case that puts us in LyLo having to decide between Dave and Drixx. But with another scum dead, we may have enough information to solve that based on interactions.

This is beautiful.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RIP

Drixx, stop tunneling dave.

[elusive]

VOTE: RIP

I follow the town block parade...

[Vampirate]

Rubicon, if RIP is lynched and is a 2 shot cop as he claims what is your next move?

Go after:

-Vampirate
-Nero
-someone else?

[Nero Cain]

back, catching up tonight

[Rubicon]

VOTE: RIP

Vampirate, my strategy requires lynching both you and Nero Cain if RIP flips town, since that should guarantee at least one scum lynch. Does that worry you?

[Vampirate]

VOTE: RIP

Vampirate, my strategy requires lynching both you and Nero Cain if RIP flips town, since that should guarantee at least one scum lynch. Does that worry you?

If i'm town not really

If i'm scum sure

[davesaz]

Why the if?

[Rubicon]

That is a very curious post.

[Vampirate]

Eh, what is me saying 'i'm town' going to convince anyone that i'm actually town. If people in a game believe you're scum saying you're town is not going to convince anyone.

It's basically an un-provable statement on it's own merits.

[Rubicon]

I see

[RIP]

Wtf is going on?

[RIP]

Why are u guys voting me? I'm conf town.

[Rubicon]

Doesn't matter.

[Drixx]

Why are u guys voting me? I'm conf town.

If you were conftown, why would anyone vote for you? o.O

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

RIP

(3):

Grib, elusive, Rubicon

Nero Cain

(2):

BlueBloodedToffee, Vampirate

Grib

(1):

RIP

Vampirate

(1):

Nero Cain

Drixx

(1):

davesaz

davesaz

(1):

Drixx

Not Voting

(0)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-07-04 17:00:00)

[Rubicon]

Drixx, you should vote RIP.

[Drixx]

Drixx, you should vote RIP.

Can I wait for him to answer my question first?

[Grib]

It looked like a rhetorical question.

[Rubicon]

In my experience RIP is not very responsive to questions. He's definitely not confirmed town though. He's just claiming a PR.

[Drixx]

I'm not big on sheeping. I will vote RIP but tomorrow I think we should have a more thorough discussion.

VOTE: RIP

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: RIP