Mini 1693: Fire vs Ice Mafia(End Date: 7/19/15)

[Kari]

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Prolapsed Brain (2) They call me R, radmann9
YurikoJasmine
DragonTyrion
Kthxbye
miih
They call me R (1) Netherspite
Dean Harper
radmann9 (1) DragonTyrion
hiplop
ika
Netherspite (1) Prolapsed Brain

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

I'm calculating deadline atm so gimme a bit.

[DragonTyrion]

Bite me. That's a response.

An anti-town response, yes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

[Dean Harper]

Damnit games always start when I'm at work!
Couldn't we all just chase butterflies and rainbows for five posts or so?

But in all seriousness, let's get down to business:

I think that Brain's progression of emotion throughout the thread so far has been pretty natural for someone who simply made a mistake in interpreting setup information:

You really should read the thread.

Bite me. That's a response.

These responses seem to come from frustration when Netherspite refuted his interpretation.

How does that exclude the possibility of having fire townies in the setup? That's just a sample.

On top of his initial interaction with They call me R, I don't believe that being rude and cantankerous in itself is a scum tell. Lack of contribution IS a scum tell.

In fact, I think that his effort to find discrepancies in Netherspite's theory could be interpreted as a town tell if he simply made a mistake. But he needs to make up for it with some actual discussion/contributions.

@Brain, I think we're still in the safe zone as far as votes go (I count 3, with seven needed to lynch). I also think it's too early to lynch (not enough information for day 2), and since we don't know how many scum we have, I will

HoS: Prolapsed Brain

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I would like you to please give an explanation about what your thought process was. I don't think we should lynch so early in the game but if you aren't contributing to the discussion, then you're being anti-town.

That said, VOTE: They call me R for working so hard so early for a bandwagon to actually lynch. I know you've been joking in a lot of your posts, but there is an element of seriousness there. And current lack of sufficient information for a Day 2 in the event that Brain is town is an anti-town move.

[Prolapsed Brain]

I fail to see where I made a mistake. Care to enlighten me?

[Dean Harper]

You win if all Fire members are eliminated.

whos up for a mass claim?

Actually since wincon is about ice/fire elimination the setup can even consist of ice/fire townies only.

Or there can be both fire and ice townies and mafia.

in both of these cases mass claiming won't make sense.

Here you go.


VOTE: Netherspite because he's probably scum trying to derail town's scumhunting efforts with this type of stuff.

Quoting the above because I misread it/misinterpreted the win condition myself.

I take back what I said about your mistake, Brain.

With the given sample town win condition, there is no way to have Fire Town. Assuming (as in most games) that this is one that was actually sent out, we can be lead to believe that the Fire players are indeed mafia. This IS a Bastard game, so we don't know if that's what was actually sent out. However, the rules state that a rule was Bastardized (singular). And since the win conditions are not explicitly RULES, I assume the one we have been given is correct/true.

That does NOT however, remove your responsibility to contribute as a player.

[Prolapsed Brain]

We are on Page 3. Chill. 25% of the playerbase hasn't even posted yet.

[ika]

We are on Page 3. Chill. 25% of the playerbase hasn't even posted yet.

does that include me?

[Prolapsed Brain]

Why would I not include you? You posted.

[hiplop]

VOTE: dean harper

Trying wayyyyy too hard to look proactive.

[DragonTyrion]

VOTE: dean harper

Trying wayyyyy too hard to look proactive.

I disagree. You, on the other hand, are not trying nearly enough.

I rather like Dean's posts so far. This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his stated position on Brain pretty much mirrors mine. Honest.

[hiplop]

Nah, he's scum. Confirmed. Sheep me.

[Netherspite]

@Dean Harper

@Prolapsed Brain

There can be different wincons in different townie role PMs.
Also, it looks like we have a scumslip here from

Dean Harper

. You say we can't know if that was the real wincon sent in townie role PMs thus you didn't get townie role PM?

VOTE: Dean Harper

[They call me R]

We are on Page 3. Chill. 25% of the playerbase hasn't even posted yet.

What a shitty exuse for you to lurk while being pressured.

VOTE: dean harper

Trying wayyyyy too hard to look proactive.

Not exactly. But I can agree to a certain degree. This:

In fact, I think that his effort to find discrepancies in Netherspite's theory could be interpreted as a town tell if he simply made a mistake.

But he needs to make up for it with some actual discussion/contributions.

@Brain,

I think we're still in the safe zone as far as votes go (I count 3, with seven needed to lynch)

. I also think it's too early to lynch (not enough information for day 2), and since we don't know how many scum we have, I will HoS: Prolapsed Brain.
I would like you to please give an explanation about what your thought process was. I don't think we should lynch so early in the game

but if you aren't contributing to the discussion, then you're being anti-town.

That said, VOTE: They call me R for working so hard so early for a bandwagon to actually lynch. I know you've been joking in a lot of your posts, but there is an element of seriousness there. And current lack of sufficient information for a Day 2 in the event that Brain is town is an anti-town move.

Bolded resembles coaching and the voting thing is strange.


@Brain unless you start talking with us we aren't going to move on. Sorry, just not seeing why town would completely ignore all that. And even if town, you are being anti-town. Thus if town, it will be in your advantage to talk to us and prove whether you are town so that we could get on the right track. If not keep it up, you'll just help us lynch you.

[Netherspite]

By the way, I don't see the reason why can't I just ask out loud:

If there is a townie with wincon different from the sample wincon in the first post, please tell us that you do exist.

[Netherspite]

However please avoid quoting or paraphrasing your role PM as it is prohibited by the rules.

[Prolapsed Brain]

@Dean Harper

@Prolapsed Brain

There can be different wincons in different townie role PMs.

Please provide at least one example from a completed game. On this site.

[Prolapsed Brain]

We are on Page 3. Chill. 25% of the playerbase hasn't even posted yet.

What a shitty exuse for you to lurk while being pressured.

Fuck off.

@Brain unless you start talking with us we aren't going to move on. Sorry, just not seeing why town would completely ignore all that. And even if town, you are being anti-town. Thus if town, it will be in your advantage to talk to us and prove whether you are town so that we could get on the right track. If not keep it up, you'll just help us lynch you.

Fuck off.

[Prolapsed Brain]

Also, those of you who are convinced (convinced I tell you!!!) that I am scum for my behavior thus far, please explain in rational terms why a mafioso would deliberately antagonize the town, resulting in a lynch.

[Netherspite]

@Prolapsed Brain

This is closed setup with bastard modding. Why can't we have such things? It's possible.
In my #63 I'm trying to find out if this is the case or not.

[hiplop]

I think I agree that dean made a scum slip. Mine says the op.

Coaching and slipping at page 3

[DragonTyrion]

Also, those of you who are convinced (convinced I tell you!!!) that I am scum for my behavior thus far, please explain in rational terms why a mafioso would deliberately antagonize the town, resulting in a lynch.

Oh look at me being so not-scummy while telling people to fuck off! Why would scum ever do this! Therefore I'm not scum!

And that's why I can't choose the wine in front of you.

Incidentally, the whole "why would scum deliberately antagonize the town" is a straw-man. See the bolded parts in the spoiler below:

Spoiler: R's case against Brain

^^^Scumclaim.


Who are yo

- meaning "I don't know what to do so I'll just roll mi eyes. "u people?

Calls scumclaim, doesn't vote. Asks an irrelevant and stupid question.

Contribution - 0

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Pardon me while I shiver with fright.

Sarcasm. Attempt to discredit. Scum reaction.

Still no vote on my scumclaim.

- meaning "I don't know what to do so I'll just roll mi eyes. "

You really should read the thread.

Bitchy.

Doesn't comment ika's post nor my accusation

... Oh and he still hasn't voted me.
Ye it's scum.

The case against you isn't about your behaviour. It's about your lack of contribution. Your post above basically says "Yes, I'm not contributing BUT LOOK WHY WOULD SCUM ACT LIKE THIS". It's a misdirection - I assume you want people to say "Oh, I can't rationally explain why he would be so antagonizing. He must therefore not be scum!".

[Dean Harper]

I think I agree that dean made a scum slip. Mine says the op.

Coaching and slipping at page 3

I simply meant there is no way to know if town all have the same wincon wording. Which is true.

We are on Page 3. Chill. 25% of the playerbase hasn't even posted yet.

What a shitty exuse for you to lurk while being pressured.

VOTE: dean harper

Trying wayyyyy too hard to look proactive.

Not exactly. But I can agree to a certain degree. This:

In fact, I think that his effort to find discrepancies in Netherspite's theory could be interpreted as a town tell if he simply made a mistake.

But he needs to make up for it with some actual discussion/contributions.

@Brain,

I think we're still in the safe zone as far as votes go (I count 3, with seven needed to lynch)

. I also think it's too early to lynch (not enough information for day 2), and since we don't know how many scum we have, I will HoS: Prolapsed Brain.
I would like you to please give an explanation about what your thought process was. I don't think we should lynch so early in the game

but if you aren't contributing to the discussion, then you're being anti-town.

That said, VOTE: They call me R for working so hard so early for a bandwagon to actually lynch. I know you've been joking in a lot of your posts, but there is an element of seriousness there. And current lack of sufficient information for a Day 2 in the event that Brain is town is an anti-town move.

Bolded resembles coaching and the voting thing is strange.

@Brain unless you start talking with us we aren't going to move on. Sorry, just not seeing why town would completely ignore all that. And even if town, you are being anti-town. Thus if town, it will be in your advantage to talk to us and prove whether you are town so that we could get on the right track. If not keep it up, you'll just help us lynch you.

How are any of my remarks toward Brain different from the underlined part above? If my quotes are considered "coaching" then TCMR is doing the same. My vote stays for being a hypocrite.

[Netherspite]

No. You said that we can't know whether this wincon was sent in town role PMs. You can't know that only if you're either not townie or got other wincon PM. Which of the two is correct?

[Dean Harper]

Are you asking me to claim?

[Netherspite]

If you're scum - why not? Please do claim
If you're townie and have a different wincon then you claiming will have a good effect on the town as well.