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Post Post #0  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:57 am


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Post Post #1  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:09 pm

:)

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Post Post #2  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:26 pm

oh I'm dissapointed. I thought it was going to be left locked.
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Post Post #3  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:26 pm

I have two questions.

If there was a thread to post gory or sexually explicit images (i.e. a worst deaths in film or rl or a pornstar thread), could we post them in that thread if it said NSFW in the thread title?


Also if you can't use grudges for N1 decisions (i.e. vig kills), how should we decide it? Previous info is going to be used, and it will be hard for me to not incorporate friendships and grudges into that.
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Post Post #4  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:30 pm

Not a fan of the "mafia" rules. I can think of several games that have broken one or more of those roles. If the mod has to point out that a specific site-wide rule doesn't apply, then that forces him to push these roles out into the open more than he would have normally. Keep them as general rules, maybe even stick them in the wiki, I guess, but get rid of the "Some rules apply to most games, and should be assumed to hold unless the moderator explicitly says otherwise.". In all honesty I don't really get why you're mucking about with this aspect of the site, seeing as how mods are normally very capable at stopping this kind of thing in their own games. The only one out of that lot I'd say isn't really clearly against the rules is alliances and grudges, and that's been a problem precisely never. Only game I can think of where it's even come up is SpeedyKQ's with the Huggle Alliance.

The General Site rules are fine.

Guidelines are fine too. The swearing rules annoy me a bit, because I just know at some point someone's going to raise a hissyfit about someone or other in a game I'm in trying to get the admin to deal with them for reasons that really aren't that bad at all. I'm in favour of them all in terms of GD and MD though. There's reasons to swear like a trooper in mafia games, but situations like that should rarely come up in non-game threads unless the thread is about flameaxe.

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Post Post #5  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:33 pm

Some thoughts

Play to win the game.


What about PJ and his opinion on cults(and the like). Should this really be a rule?

You should not start or post in threads which have as their main purpose "posting lots".



No more spamoffs?

What about some mishmash games?

Other than the Spamoff has their actually been a thread where the purpose is "posting lots"? I thought usually they were about "Being jackasses" or "Trying to be funny"

I also suggest that "Calm the frick down" could be in the rules.
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Post Post #6  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:34 pm

IH wrote:Other than the Spamoff has their actually been a thread where the purpose is "posting lots"? I thought usually they were about "Being jackasses" or "Trying to be funny"


This also covers "Count to X" games, which are as bad or worse than Spamoffs.
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Post Post #7  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:40 pm

The counting game was fun.
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Post Post #8  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:14 pm

Question: LmL's thread about StallingChamp's birthday could fall under this rule:

You should not make any post, or start any thread, with the intention of abusing, ridiculing, insulting, offending, or upsetting any other user on this site.


...except it clearly doesn't because SC is no longer a user on this site. Without getting into the argument of if that thread was intended to ridicule SC, do we want such a loophole to exist? Is it better to include an "or former users" rider?
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Post Post #9  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:14 pm

Three things:

Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.
What is the rationale behind this? I am thinking in terms of: "If X, I will change my avatar to Y. I am that sure." Why do we want to disallow that, I think it is fun.

Play to win the game.
As IH brought up, this might have some problems. What if I am mafia and want to fake claim doctor, when not fake claiming maybe seems like it will be more likely to help me win, but fake claiming will be much more fun. Similar examples with making jokes, not busing a partner, etc. show how playing solely to win might be a bad standard.

You should not make any post, or start any thread, with the intention of abusing, ridiculing, insulting, offending, or upsetting any other user on this site.
I agree with this outside of mafia games 100%... inside mafia games, I feel like this can in some instances be a legitimate tactic. For example, in Ibaesha's recent Short and Sweet mafia, Kinetic purposely upset me to help him discern my alignment. It was annoying, but it was a good play -- and he pegged me correctly, helping lead to a town win.

Overall, I think that these rules were needed, and good job with them! :)

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Post Post #10  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:28 pm

What happens when these rules clash? What takes precedence?

For example, Play to win the game along with Don't bring outside influences into the game. Are you allowed to bait someone to try and get them to overreact to make their case seem weak or whatever to further your win condition?
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Post Post #11  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:34 pm

Guardian wrote:
Play to win the game.

As IH brought up, this might have some problems. What if I am mafia and want to fake claim doctor, when not fake claiming maybe seems like it will be more likely to help me win, but fake claiming will be much more fun. Similar examples with making jokes, not busing a partner, etc. show how playing solely to win might be a bad standard.


Perhaps "Don't play to lose the game" would be better wording? My impression is that this rule exists to try to prevent ridiculous plays on the order of outing your scum buddies on purpose, which would clearly be suicidal to your side. I'm not sure the rule is meant to deal with anything you used as an example, Guardian.
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Post Post #12  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:34 pm

Guardian wrote:
Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.
What is the rationale behind this? I am thinking in terms of: "If X, I will change my avatar to Y. I am that sure." Why do we want to disallow that, I think it is fun.
Alliances such as if you vote me in game X I will lynch you in Game Y, or alliances going throughout multiple games.
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Post Post #13  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:09 pm

Also don't bring outside influences into the game is way too vague.

Does this outlaw Glork's playing of a game without reading his role PM? What if you see someone say on scumchat I will kill Zindaras N0 in any game I'm in and Zindaras dies N0, what are you supposed to do?
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Post Post #14  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:21 pm

Ugh, absolutely hate several of the mafia rules.

Question that I'm pretty sure I know the answer to: Would something along the lines of the Jdodge-Flameaxe-sometimesUA Team Asshat be banned?

I'm pretty sure mafia mods can regulate several of them anyway.

otherwise sounds good.
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Post Post #15  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:12 pm

Another comment: just to make it a little more general, suggest modifying

In some cases, actions taken with the intent of ruining a game may result in further action against the user, such as a limitation on the number of games that user can play, or a temporary or permanent ban.


to

In some cases, actions taken with the intent of ruining a game or with the intent of delibratly cheating may result in further action against the user, such as a limitation on the number of games that user can play, or a temporary or permanent ban.


In other words, there may be cases where we may want or need to ban people, not because they tried to delibratly ruin a game, but because they have (perhaps multiple times) tried to cheat in order to get an advantage in that game.
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Post Post #16  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:21 pm

Simenon wrote:Ugh, absolutely hate several of the mafia rules.

Question that I'm pretty sure I know the answer to: Would something along the lines of the Jdodge-Flameaxe-sometimesUA Team Asshat be banned?

I'm pretty sure mafia mods can regulate several of them anyway.

otherwise sounds good.


No, it shouldn't. The influence of asshat only affects the jokevote stage. We never take it beyond that, ever.
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Post Post #17  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:56 pm

Who are the mods appointed by Mith? Are they the list mods?
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Post Post #18  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:52 pm

I think that not posting porn should be a rule, not a guideline. I think all the other rules are good.

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Post Post #19  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:25 pm

Flameaxe wrote:
Simenon wrote:Ugh, absolutely hate several of the mafia rules.

Question that I'm pretty sure I know the answer to: Would something along the lines of the Jdodge-Flameaxe-sometimesUA Team Asshat be banned?

I'm pretty sure mafia mods can regulate several of them anyway.

otherwise sounds good.


No, it shouldn't. The influence of asshat only affects the jokevote stage. We never take it beyond that, ever.


SO IT IS STILL BRINGING IT INTO THE GAME!

And BANNED under these rules.
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Post Post #20  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:43 pm

I have a lengthy critique which I will post later. In general, however, my suggestions are minor, and I think these rules are good.
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Post Post #21  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:52 pm

I like the changes to "Play to win the game."

I have trouble with the "don't insult/harass anyone" inside games, actually. Emotional play is sometimes strategically sound, even if you'd never say such a thing in GD/MD/Help. I'm a very laissez-faire mod when it comes to insults, but as people have probably guessed, I detest that behavior in the "community" portions of the site.

Porochaz: I don't think there are any "Rules Moderators" yet; as a List Mod, I certainly haven't been tasked with it.
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Post Post #22  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:00 pm

There's been some discussion of moderators for GD. Nothing official has been declared yet. For all intents and purposes read that as "any moderators Mith will appoint in the future".

There are some people with higher level admin powers already (jeep, maybe others), as well as the various list mods.

And technically I'd count as a moderator of Site Ideas (which really means moderator of the Title Fairy thread for most intents and purposes, although I've done a small amout of muddling with other threads in Site Ideas.)
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Post Post #23  (ISO)  » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:16 pm

Fritzler wrote:
Guardian wrote:
Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.
What is the rationale behind this? I am thinking in terms of: "If X, I will change my avatar to Y. I am that sure." Why do we want to disallow that, I think it is fun.
Alliances such as if you vote me in game X I will lynch you in Game Y, or alliances going throughout multiple games.
Yes -- I agree with that usage -- but what of the scenario I used as an example?


Also, no one has responded to my scenario about how ad hom can be OK in game, sometimes.

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Post Post #24  (ISO)  » Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:07 am

Rules wrote:Spam - Unsolicited messages with the intent to sell something or mislead users

Soooo...Rickroll is out?
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