Open 624 Fire and Ice - Fire Mafia Wins

[Shinobi]

We

are

still playing mafia, right?
Pedit - sure, I guess?

[Firebringer]

I want RC to come in here and keep it up with his dickish attitude cause it amuses me.

[Viva La Gloria]

yeah whatever.

I think I've made my case.

1) I would never have had the absolutely zero back and forth that I have with SW as one of my scumbuddies. She never interested me until D2 but the D2 lynch happened so fast it was never really a big deal.
2) I hardpushed a lynch onto ice scum D2. Even on an alt, I'd be paranoid enough of getting cross killed that I'd play safer.
3) I don't know how to convince you if you're just going to say that I was making up reads even though I spent the entire day from when I figured it out trying to get
Should I point out the fact that SO was the ONLY person missing on Shin's read list on D1 again?
4) I don't know what to say about the Silverwolf pushing Shin thing. I don't understand why they did it; maybe Shin felt that he'd be able to keep himself alive? I note that Silverwolf mostly pressured him after the major wagon on him had subsided somewhat.
5) Why did I vote Shin as scum when he was scumreading you and you were about ready to vote me.

He can go on in post game if he is town in post game about how much I suck, but he has been flip flopping on a lot of his reads and most of his shit doesn't make sense. I have been reading Shinobi as town this whole game. I can't imagine he has been fire this whole game. He has played an excellent scum game if he is.

I don't need more to go on in post game about.
If I wanted to write a book about you playing crappy as town I wouldn't be able to find a publisher it'd be so long.
Like literally; how the fuck can you think Shin is town with his play today?

[Shinobi]

I want RC to come in here and keep it up with his dickish attitude cause it amuses me.

I'd rather that neither of you continued this.
I'm just here to play mafia.

[Firebringer]

Shinobi, who would you have killed last night if you were fire?
Same to you Viva.

[Firebringer]

I don't need more to go on in post game about.
If I wanted to write a book about you playing crappy as town I wouldn't be able to find a publisher it'd be so long.
Like literally; how the fuck can you think Shin is town with his play today?

I was reading him as town way before this.

[Viva La Gloria]

I'm obvtown.
Everyone in dead thread will have spent the entirety of today pointing out that I should be basically cleared at this point.

Shinobi, who would you have killed last night if you were fire?
Same to you Viva.

I would have killed SS who I was pretty fucking sure was Ice.
Who do you think Shinobi would have killed? Hint: read his ISO yesterday.

I was reading him as town way before this.

Why aren't you rethinking it based on how terrible his play today has been?
Why are you townreading him, for starters?

I can't argue about the SW stuff because I don't know why they did it and I agree it makes it look pretty town but my play throughout this game should make it clear that I'm town here.
But don't forget that SS wasn't even in the commonly accepted Ice pool and he was the Ice. These associative reads are unhelpful.

[Viva La Gloria]

Fire.

Why do you think that Shinobi is town?

[Firebringer]

I would have killed SS who I was pretty fucking sure was Ice.
Who do you think Shinobi would have killed? Hint: read his ISO yesterday.

Really? Because you said play to do was self target earlier this day, did you not?

[Shinobi]

Shinobi, who would you have killed last night if you were fire?
Same to you Viva.

Not Aristo lmao.
I'd probably be shooting into RC/S_S - both looked relatively interested in the outcome of the game as opposed to you/Aristo last dayphase. I'm a huge sucker for active/passionate players and I generally rate them significantly higher on my kill-list than people who dither about.

If you forced me to come up with a more concrete answer, I'd have probably just said SS, simply because it seemed like a far more neutral kill than RC.

[Viva La Gloria]

Link me that.

I don't think that I would have been likely to self target because I would accept a town win off of scum double killing each other.

[Viva La Gloria]

I'd have probably just said SS, simply because it seemed like a far more neutral kill than RC.

SS/RC aka the two people commonly read as Fire and he'd be eating into the people that would get lynched before him for that alignment.
LIKE HOLY FUCK. HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT.

[Shinobi]

Associative reads are dumb.

[Viva La Gloria]

Like he's clearly just looking for a way not to say Aristo even though that makes no fucking sense.
He was hard pushing Aristo all day and I believe explicitly as Ice no less. Why would he say that he's not trying to cross kill.
Like jeeesus. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT SHINOBI IS TOWN.

[Firebringer]

Last night was obvious cross kill attempt night.
Both you and Shinobi thought Aristo was Ice. I didn't. Aristo was shot by fire.
It doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that I'm town here dude.

hmmm....
I guess I just extrapolated this from this I guess

[Firebringer]

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT SHINOBI IS TOWN.

Why the fuck are you town?

[Viva La Gloria]

yeah whatever.

I think I've made my case.

1) I would never have had the absolutely zero back and forth that I have with SW as one of my scumbuddies. She never interested me until D2 but the D2 lynch happened so fast it was never really a big deal.
2) I hardpushed a lynch onto ice scum D2. Even on an alt, I'd be paranoid enough of getting cross killed that I'd play safer.
3) I don't know how to convince you if you're just going to say that I was making up reads even though I spent the entire day from when I figured it out trying to get
Should I point out the fact that SO was the ONLY person missing on Shin's read list on D1 again?
4) I don't know what to say about the Silverwolf pushing Shin thing. I don't understand why they did it; maybe Shin felt that he'd be able to keep himself alive? I note that Silverwolf mostly pressured him after the major wagon on him had subsided somewhat.
5) Why did I vote Shin as scum when he was scumreading you and you were about ready to vote me.

He can go on in post game if he is town in post game about how much I suck, but he has been flip flopping on a lot of his reads and most of his shit doesn't make sense. I have been reading Shinobi as town this whole game. I can't imagine he has been fire this whole game. He has played an excellent scum game if he is.

I don't need more to go on in post game about.
If I wanted to write a book about you playing crappy as town I wouldn't be able to find a publisher it'd be so long.
Like literally; how the fuck can you think Shin is town with his play today?

[Viva La Gloria]

Shinobi, who would you have killed last night if you were fire?
Same to you Viva.

Not Aristo lmao.
I'd probably be shooting into RC/S_S - both looked relatively interested in the outcome of the game as opposed to you/Aristo last dayphase. I'm a huge sucker for active/passionate players and I generally rate them significantly higher on my kill-list than people who dither about.

If you forced me to come up with a more concrete answer, I'd have probably just said SS, simply because it seemed like a far more neutral kill than RC.

Like how is that the most obviously faked answer ever.
'not Aristo'

[Firebringer]

Silverwolf: null - I have no idea where to start here. I flip my read on her every 10 minutes. I'm fully aware my bias against people who tunnel me could be coloring my read but I genuinely have no idea.

This doesn't sound like something you say about your scum teammate.

[Viva La Gloria]

No it's okay I spent the entire yesterday pushing Aristo as Ice but I'm DECIDING that I wouldn't kill aristo and would instead kill... SS who the actual town said they'd kill.
And don't even pretend that you 'didn't think about it in that way' because we've been discussing the cross killing aspect all day today and yesterday. that's complete crap.

This doesn't sound like something you say about your scum teammate.

...it doesn't?
waffling is towny now?

[Shinobi]

Shinobi, who would you have killed last night if you were fire?
Same to you Viva.

Not Aristo lmao.
I'd probably be shooting into RC/S_S - both looked relatively interested in the outcome of the game as opposed to you/Aristo last dayphase. I'm a huge sucker for active/passionate players and I generally rate them significantly higher on my kill-list than people who dither about.

If you forced me to come up with a more concrete answer, I'd have probably just said SS, simply because it seemed like a far more neutral kill than RC.

Like how is that the most obviously faked answer ever.
'not Aristo'

About as faked as "tbh" and "how tempting."

[Firebringer]

...it doesn't?
waffling is towny now?

It sounds honest.

[Viva La Gloria]

like there's no arguments that I can make when I know full well that my scum game is virtually indistinguishable from my town game, and the day 1 play from silverwolf thing is pretty relevant.

[Firebringer]

like there's no arguments that I can make when I know full well that my scum game is virtually indistinguishable from my town game, and the day 1 play from silverwolf thing is pretty relevant.

Then why are you obvious town?
All you have been doing is insulting my play and abilities to play this game and done flailing over last two pages.

You have made me want to hammer you more and more.

[Viva La Gloria]

It sounds honest.

Well it's not.

like if there's anything that you should believe and take to heart as to why I'm town here
it's that this is not how I would approach the game as scum.
I have absolutely no motivation to get into a protracted fight with you as scum. it's unpleasant for both of us and I'd rather just take the quick win by getting Shinobi to vote you.

do you think that what we're doing now is fun for me?