In post 457, Maestro wrote:Xtoxm - what were you pointing out sardonically? Were you
referencing the fact that the Vig in this setup is actually a NightVig
, or were you sardonically calling out the role fishing?
In post 457, Maestro wrote:Totally contrary to Xt, I didn't like the preemptive strike on the trust tell thing. ...
It's not a thought process I see scum going through (shit, i've never done this as scum and i'm not scum this time either so I need to be careful how I answer). It's was also long winded way of saying "i've only ever done it as town".
In post 457, Maestro wrote:No. No no no. I'm all for mindset-matching as Townhunting (or Scumhunting in multiball), but in this specific case it's absolute bullshit. Check the NM+Xt ISO below and you'll see. There was no mindset-matching possible here; they both naked-voted and that's LITERALLY ALL. Xtoxm didn't establish any mindset to match for this NM-townread. He just hopped on board and followed suit with the lovely lynch.
We made it at the same time in response to the same posts. Words are not always required, and I stand by that - It made sense at the time.
In post 457, Maestro wrote:Establishing a hypothetical Vig-shot in-game in an Open Setup with a Vig is a great thing to do, since it allows the Vig to somewhat secretively. Not wanting to go along with that or actively calling it scummy isn't proTown; you (Xt) either don't understand the practice or you want it to fail.
Well, i've never played a setup like this before and I was expecting the vig to claim. Directing the vig prior to a claim is effectively a non-vig claim which town shouldn't be doing. Scum on the other hand, don't care. I expect townies to start directing vig in a well developed game but not so early on.
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This is all i've got time for atm. I appreciate your content, Mae.
Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
Xtoxm is consistently great - Shosin
you were the only wolf i townread at endgame - the worst
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
Sorry for the V/LA. I'm trying my best to get as involved as I can, but my homework and exams were more stressful than I expected. If after this you all still want me to replace out, then I will.
Right now I am more than happy with a Not-Mafia lynch. Seriously? That reaction to pressure by voting immediately on someone who has been relatively inactive for actual RL reasons without any proper reason was just painful to look at.
I didn't have much of a read on xtoxm before, but the fact that he asked for a replacement on me was although not very nice, strikes me as something with more town motivation than scum - to want as much involvement from all players as possible. Whereas on the other hand Not_mafia immediately taking advantage of that puts him on the completely different side of the spectrum. I can't think of anyone who can possibly be scummier than he is.
I will take a quick look at the vote tally in the meantime.
正樹荷乃 (Masaki Nino)
I may not have perfect English. Please bear with me~
Don't like lovely and Nino painting my Nino vote as something I thought would gain traction, there's no reasonable expectation a wagon on someone who is v/la will take off
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
Don't sign up for games you can't play, and don't stay in them if you realize later you can't play them. That's the bottom line. It's not cruel and it's not rude. It's an expectation on this site, for Town and for Scum. Both factions should hold you to that expectation. Replace out if you're super-stressed and busy and nobody here will hold you accountable. You'll also feel better; and won't have to waste time popping into the thread now and then just to hold up a hand. Meanwhile, you make this game harder by being a giant "?" for everybody else who can play it.
I've been where you're sitting, Nino. It's not worth adding to the stress by staying in this game if you can't play. Trust me.
PEDIT: Why vote if you want people to understand your vote isn't meant to do anything...?
That wasn't the point of my post at all. Lovely called my Nino vote "pure desperation" and Nino called it opportunistic, if I was being desperate and opportunistic and just wanted to get a wagon that wasn't me, there's no way I'd think Nino would be the best vote
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
I know but I don't think I should replace unless I absolutely know I can't play this game, because of the amount of stress it will cause a replacement to reread 20+ pages. It will be a different thing if it was early Day 1 so I don't want to put too much problems on them.
Not_Mafia, the fact is not whether you NOW realize there is no traction on voting me, but the fact that you clearly THOUGHT back then that there will be traction, which is not uncommon as far as I know for scum. Voting for someone relatively inactive means that you won't further antagonize someone who's already active and who might push you further, while at the same time hopefully putting through with the "inactive person is scum trying to hide" mindset. I really don't like that.
So a quick check shows that N_M is at L-1. The fact that he hasn't exploded yet means that he's probably the goon? (If he immediately explodes after this post I am going to get really annoyed)
正樹荷乃 (Masaki Nino)
I may not have perfect English. Please bear with me~
In post 506, Not_Mafia wrote:That wasn't the point of my post at all. Lovely called my Nino vote "pure desperation" and Nino called it opportunistic, if I was being desperate and opportunistic and just wanted to get a wagon that wasn't me, there's no way I'd think Nino would be the best vote
Okay, I definitely agree with this, but:
In post 504, Not_Mafia wrote:Don't like lovely and Nino painting my Nino vote as something I thought would gain traction, there's no reasonable expectation a wagon on someone who is v/la will take off
...can you see how I would see this as you saying "I don't get why people are upset that my vote was actually trying to be productive - I wasn't expecting it to be useful or do anything" and can you see how that's a shitty way to think about a vote?
In post 508, NinoMasaki wrote:I know but I don't think I should replace unless I absolutely know I can't play this game, because of the amount of stress it will cause a replacement to reread 20+ pages. It will be a different thing if it was early Day 1 so I don't want to put too much problems on them.
Not_Mafia, the fact is not whether you NOW realize there is no traction on voting me,
but the fact that you clearly THOUGHT back then that there will be traction,
which is not uncommon as far as I know for scum. Voting for someone relatively inactive means that you won't further antagonize someone who's already active and who might push you further, while at the same time hopefully putting through with the "inactive person is scum trying to hide" mindset. I really don't like that.
So a quick check shows that N_M is at L-1. The fact that he hasn't exploded yet means that he's probably the goon? (If he immediately explodes after this post I am going to get really annoyed)
When was that made clear exactly? And a) There's a difference between v/la and lurking b) I never pushed a lurker angle on you c) Why would I go for the most inoffensive vote I could to save myself?
In post 506, Not_Mafia wrote:That wasn't the point of my post at all. Lovely called my Nino vote "pure desperation" and Nino called it opportunistic, if I was being desperate and opportunistic and just wanted to get a wagon that wasn't me, there's no way I'd think Nino would be the best vote
Okay, I definitely agree with this, but:
In post 504, Not_Mafia wrote:Don't like lovely and Nino painting my Nino vote as something I thought would gain traction, there's no reasonable expectation a wagon on someone who is v/la will take off
...can you see how I would see this as you saying "I don't get why people are upset that my vote was actually trying to be productive - I wasn't expecting it to be useful or do anything" and can you see how that's a shitty way to think about a vote?
I guess I could see how it read that way from an outside perspective
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
Xtoxm is consistently great - Shosin
you were the only wolf i townread at endgame - the worst
Snack time approaches, and the kids are getting tired and cranky. While a few are sitting doing their own thing, many of them start ganging up on Not_Mafia. Not_Mafia pretends to shoot them, so after giving everyone their milk and cookies he is forced into timeout while everyone else naps.
Not_Mafia,
Vanilla Townie
, isn't allowed to play with the other children anymore.
Night deadline is in (expired on 2016-03-01 08:00:00)
